Time to Plan Next Cycle - any help appreciated

[kaarona]

Hey guys - I have been off for about 4 months now. This past cycle was the 1st cycle in 15+ years. Cycle consisted of:
500 mg Test E (wk 1-14)
50 mg Dbol (wk 1-5)
50 mg Anavar (wk 10-14)
and PCT after.

I have some more test E as well as some Test Prop and enough Dbol and Anavar to run those all again, but I wanted to add something I have not tried before. The only thing I have done other than what is listed above is Sust250, so basically just test cycles with some orals.

I am 210 lbs and would like to add maybe 5-10 lbs, but cut up a bit as well. I have been reading about the Trest Ace Mint or some Tren. Not looking to add lots of new things, but would like to slowly venture out. Any suggestions?

Always appreciate your input.

 

[1977_Corvette]

Maybe just bump the test to 750 Week and throw in some deca at 400-600 week? That would get you probably 15 lbs at minimum if everything else is on point, a lot of bloat though , I would also add either proviron or mast e, good luck. Everyone is different but I would avoid tren if possible, sides can be extreme.

 

[joonp]

Hey guys - I have been off for about 4 months now. This past cycle was the 1st cycle in 15+ years. Cycle consisted of:
500 mg Test E (wk 1-14)
50 mg Dbol (wk 1-5)
50 mg Anavar (wk 10-14)
and PCT after.

I have some more test E as well as some Test Prop and enough Dbol and Anavar to run those all again, but I wanted to add something I have not tried before. The only thing I have done other than what is listed above is Sust250, so basically just test cycles with some orals.

I am 210 lbs and would like to add maybe 5-10 lbs, but cut up a bit as well. I have been reading about the Trest Ace Mint or some Tren. Not looking to add lots of new things, but would like to slowly venture out. Any suggestions?

Always appreciate your input.

Sust is test just 3 different esters short, med, and long. I dont know why everyone is so in love with it to be honest. I also dont think ur ready for tren. That is one of the harshest aas and for advanced users. If ur looking for a bulking cycle you coud go test and either adrol or dbol and either npp or deca. I would spend some time researching both. You could also go test, adrol, eq. I just ran that cycle with great results

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[Mobman702]

Add some HGH to the mold to. You won't regret it and love how it enhances your results.. barbell22

 

[kaarona]

I want to minimize the bloat and add lean muscle this time around. I dont mind the initial bloat kicking off with Dbol, but then would like the boat to minimize and maybe get the abs showing

 

[kaarona]

Doing some reading on the Masteron... looks like it is used during cutting, so should offset some of the test/deca/dbol bloat?

 

[kaarona]

Looks like Mast is best if body fat is under 10%. Im not there now and wont be during a bulk.

1st look:
Test E 500mg/week (wk 1-5) pinned eod
Test Prop 200mg/week (wk 1-5) pinned eod
Deca 400mg/wk (wk 1-5)
Dbol 50mg/day (wk 1-5)

Test E 500mg/wk (wk 6-9)
Deca 400mg/wk (wk 6-9)

Test E 500mg/wk (wk 10-14)
Deca 400mg/wk (wk 10-14)
Anavar 50mg/day (wk 10-14)
Start HCG week 12

PCT week 17-20

Would be interested in adding some HGH but need to do some research, dont know much about it at all.
I have some old Winstrol... is that preferred over the Anavar? Last time I took it the hair loss was pretty bad.

What you guys think? Should I add something else? Do I have a safe enough time between orals? Want to make sure I don't beat up the liver too bad.

 

[joonp]

Looks like Mast is best if body fat is under 10%. Im not there now and wont be during a bulk.

1st look:
Test E 500mg/week (wk 1-5) pinned eod
Test Prop 200mg/week (wk 1-5) pinned eod
Deca 400mg/wk (wk 1-5)
Dbol 50mg/day (wk 1-5)

Test E 500mg/wk (wk 6-9)
Deca 400mg/wk (wk 6-9)

Test E 500mg/wk (wk 10-14)
Deca 400mg/wk (wk 10-14)
Anavar 50mg/day (wk 10-14)
Start HCG week 12

PCT week 17-20

Would be interested in adding some HGH but need to do some research, dont know much about it at all.
I have some old Winstrol... is that preferred over the Anavar? Last time I took it the hair loss was pretty bad.

What you guys think? Should I add something else? Do I have a safe enough time between orals? Want to make sure I don't beat up the liver too bad.

Drop the prop. You dont need it. The dbol will kick in quick and get u started. I would finish with winny over anavar imo but its up to you. Make sure you have caber on hand and control ur estrogen or ur prolactin will get out of control as a result. Otherwise looks good

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[kaarona]

thanks.. I have had the Test Prop for a while and trying to find a use for it. Should I use it instead of the Dbol to kick start and easier on the liver?

 

[joonp]

thanks.. I have had the Test Prop for a while and trying to find a use for it. Should I use it instead of the Dbol to kick start and easier on the liver?

I would save it for another cycle. Doesnt go with ur planned one. Its a short ester and everything ur gonna do is long esters

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[xxplosive]

EQ and tbol in place of dbol...

Amazing to me how everyone is so quick to cry sacrilege at the thought of "omfgz, masteron only if u r under 10%", yet suggest deca and more test, which will make someone not lean even less lean with bloat and fat retention...

Lower test, EQ at about 500mg, swap dbol for tbol and finish off with anavar or winny.

Should put on 10-15 lbs AND lower bf if done correctly.

 

[kaarona]

EQ and tbol in place of dbol...

Amazing to me how everyone is so quick to cry sacrilege at the thought of "omfgz, masteron only if u r under 10%", yet suggest deca and more test, which will make someone not lean even less lean with bloat and fat retention...

Lower test, EQ at about 500mg, swap dbol for tbol and finish off with anavar or winny.

Should put on 10-15 lbs AND lower bf if done correctly.

Appreciate the info.. I just took the 10% body fat on Mast straight from the profile on steroids.com
Have to read up on the EQ. I know it has been a staple in lots of beginner cycles (which I am really still a beginner), but didnt like the thought of 750-1000/mg/week, but if effective at 500mg for 1st time I will read more into it.
I will have to look at Tbol also... I was just kicking off with Dbol because I have on hand, but definately will look at Tbol because I am going to have to make an order before I start anyway.

Also, any suggestions on where to get caber? Looked at most of the sponsors and didn't see anyone offering it.

 

[xxplosive]

Appreciate the info.. I just took the 10% body fat on Mast straight from the profile on steroids.com
Have to read up on the EQ. I know it has been a staple in lots of beginner cycles (which I am really still a beginner), but didnt like the thought of 750-1000/mg/week, but if effective at 500mg for 1st time I will read more into it.
I will have to look at Tbol also... I was just kicking off with Dbol because I have on hand, but definately will look at Tbol because I am going to have to make an order before I start anyway.

Also, any suggestions on where to get caber? Looked at most of the sponsors and didn't see anyone offering it.

lol EQ will be effective at 250mg/week especially if youre a beginner... take what you read about these super doses and "mild" aas from people with a grain of salt- people sometimes get fake/bunk/underdosed gear, dont eat or train right, etc and then come back saying a certain aas is "weak". Or they shoot a bunch of test and come back saying 400mg of primo didnt do shit for them bc all the fat/water retention from the test ruined the effects of primo.

EQ will recomp you nice if you are in calorie deficit, use it to train longer and do cardio... or it can bulk you up if you lift heavier and eat a ton.

I dont fuck with caber, its good stuff for sex/mood but I try not to fuck with aas like tren where you basically need it to function.

Go to D for any aas if you wanna be 110% sure of quality.

 

[kaarona]

lol EQ will be effective at 250mg/week especially if youre a beginner... take what you read about these super doses and "mild" aas from people with a grain of salt- people sometimes get fake/bunk/underdosed gear, dont eat or train right, etc and then come back saying a certain aas is "weak". Or they shoot a bunch of test and come back saying 400mg of primo didnt do shit for them bc all the fat/water retention from the test ruined the effects of primo.

EQ will recomp you nice if you are in calorie deficit, use it to train longer and do cardio... or it can bulk you up if you lift heavier and eat a ton.


So you think 400mg Test E, 500mg Deca & 500mg EQ all for 14 weeks and kick off with Tbol and wrap up with Anavar?
I dont fuck with caber, its good stuff for sex/mood but I try not to fuck with aas like tren where you basically need it to function.

Go to D for any aas if you wanna be 110% sure of quality.

So you think 400mg Test E, 500mg Deca & 500mg EQ all for 14 weeks and kick off with Tbol and wrap up with Anavar?
I dont fuck with caber, its good stuff for sex/mood but I try not to fuck with aas like tren where you basically need it to function.
I will def get from Dred

 

[Natedog]

Looks like the cycle I’m gonna run in about a month if I can wait tha long ha...If you go this route let me know your progress...good luck with the run

So you think 400mg Test E, 500mg Deca & 500mg EQ all for 14 weeks and kick off with Tbol and wrap up with Anavar?
I dont fuck with caber, its good stuff for sex/mood but I try not to fuck with aas like tren where you basically need it to function.
I will def get from Dred

 

[ranger134]

Weeks 1-16 test cyp 500
1-4 dbol 50mg
1-16 deca 400-600 week
50mg proviron ED
maybe try trest 50mg ED week 12-16

 

[xxplosive]

So you think 400mg Test E, 500mg Deca & 500mg EQ all for 14 weeks and kick off with Tbol and wrap up with Anavar?
I dont fuck with caber, its good stuff for sex/mood but I try not to fuck with aas like tren where you basically need it to function.
I will def get from Dred

What exactly are you trying to do? Just lean weight/recomp?

Then either lower the Test to 250, drop the deca or at least run an AI.

Listen, too much test/deca and you start getting too much aromatization... NOT GOOD. Estrogen = Fat Gain, and it makes it harder to burn fat. Ever wonder why females carry more fat than males?

Now if you wanna BULK... Test/Nandrolone/Deca cant be beat. But accept that you arent gonna get ripped on that unless you run winny, a a strong AI, do a ton of cardio AND on a major calorie deficit.

Test 250mg/wk
EQ 500mg/wk
Tbol 20-40mg a day 5-6 weeks
.5 Arimidex eod

Run the oils for 15-16 weeks, take a month off orals and wrap up the last few weeks with Anavar.

If you eat your 1.5g protein per lb of bw, train heavy and to failure... I would be shocked if you didnt put on 10-15 quality lbs and drop bf by 3-4%.

*Dont be afraid to run cycles in the 15-20 week range, especially with longer esters-- your body will tell you when your receptors need a break. 10-15 week mark has always been for some when it just starts getting real good...

 

[kaarona]

Looking to add 10-15 lbs of lean muscle and drop BP a few %, however I will not be on a calorie deficit. Diet will be good, but will be higher calorie and protein. The biggest reason I wanted to run Deca is for the joint relief. I am looking at the possiblity of running Deca & NPP at 200-250mg each per week. Would that give me the best of both worlds from Deca and NPP?

Week 1-16
Test E 400mg/wk
Deca 200mg/wk
NPP 200mg/wk
EQ 500/wk

Kick off with Tbol or Dbol week 1-4
End off with Anavar week 13-16

Thoughts?

Will take AI Aeromosin on this.

 

[xxplosive]

Looking to add 10-15 lbs of lean muscle and drop BP a few %, however I will not be on a calorie deficit. Diet will be good, but will be higher calorie and protein. The biggest reason I wanted to run Deca is for the joint relief. I am looking at the possiblity of running Deca & NPP at 200-250mg each per week. Would that give me the best of both worlds from Deca and NPP?

Week 1-16
Test E 400mg/wk
Deca 200mg/wk
NPP 200mg/wk
EQ 500/wk

Kick off with Tbol or Dbol week 1-4
End off with Anavar week 13-16

Thoughts?

Will take AI Aeromosin on this.

You're not gonna get lean running that much Nandrolone and Test...

If you insist on nandrolone for joint relief I understand, 75mg of NPP 3x week or 250mg of Deca is plenty, but run some winny to offset the progesterone or you will bloat.

EQ, a little bit of test and tbol will put lean muscle on you and if you manipulate the timing of your carb intake on it,you will do exactly what youre seeking to do.

400 total mg of Nandrolone is a lot, again, stop gauging YOUR doses to that of some of the gorillas taking mega doses... Nandrolone aromatizes differently than Test, you build up progesterone, and bloat from that doesnt necessarily go away from an AI. Now you need winstrol or some other compound in there to offset another hormone and overcomplicating things...

Do you have serious joint issues? Some guys do and really need the nandrolone... but to lesser degrees, EQ and anavar offer some joint relief. Do you take a glucosomine/MSM/chondroitin sulfate supp for joints? If not, you should try to alleviate joint issues with that before just turning to a drug for it.

Anyways, re-evaluate your need for nandrolone... other than that, my input/advice hasnt changed. I told you exactly what to run and why for your goals.

Good luck.

 

[Hevi-head]

You're not gonna get lean running that much Nandrolone and Test...

If you insist on nandrolone for joint relief I understand, 75mg of NPP 3x week or 250mg of Deca is plenty, but run some winny to offset the progesterone or you will bloat.

EQ, a little bit of test and tbol will put lean muscle on you and if you manipulate the timing of your carb intake on it,you will do exactly what youre seeking to do.

400 total mg of Nandrolone is a lot, again, stop gauging YOUR doses to that of some of the gorillas taking mega doses... Nandrolone aromatizes differently than Test, you build up progesterone, and bloat from that doesnt necessarily go away from an AI. Now you need winstrol or some other compound in there to offset another hormone and overcomplicating things...

Do you have serious joint issues? Some guys do and really need the nandrolone... but to lesser degrees, EQ and anavar offer some joint relief. Do you take a glucosomine/MSM/chondroitin sulfate supp for joints? If not, you should try to alleviate joint issues with that before just turning to a drug for it.

Anyways, re-evaluate your need for nandrolone... other than that, my input/advice hasnt changed. I told you exactly what to run and why for your goals.

Good luck.

I wouldn’t consider 400 mg of nandrolone a lot by any means and it’s definitely not a mega dose, same with the test.
I don’t see why he couldn’t get fairly lean with it. I’ve stayed lean many times running deca and on more then 400mg of test