Time to Plan Next Cycle - any help appreciated

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

You're not gonna get lean running that much Nandrolone and Test...

If you insist on nandrolone for joint relief I understand, 75mg of NPP 3x week or 250mg of Deca is plenty, but run some winny to offset the progesterone or you will bloat.

EQ, a little bit of test and tbol will put lean muscle on you and if you manipulate the timing of your carb intake on it,you will do exactly what youre seeking to do.

400 total mg of Nandrolone is a lot, again, stop gauging YOUR doses to that of some of the gorillas taking mega doses... Nandrolone aromatizes differently than Test, you build up progesterone, and bloat from that doesnt necessarily go away from an AI. Now you need winstrol or some other compound in there to offset another hormone and overcomplicating things...

Do you have serious joint issues? Some guys do and really need the nandrolone... but to lesser degrees, EQ and anavar offer some joint relief. Do you take a glucosomine/MSM/chondroitin sulfate supp for joints? If not, you should try to alleviate joint issues with that before just turning to a drug for it.

Anyways, re-evaluate your need for nandrolone... other than that, my input/advice hasnt changed. I told you exactly what to run and why for your goals.

Good luck.

^^^^ Second this if your goal is to lose fat and gain lean muscle.

I just ran 500 mg test, 600 EQ with a 50 mg/day tbol kickstart and it worked great as a recomp. It’s a LONG cycle so be patient and it’s worth it. I ran it for 16 weeks and made steady progress with adding weights to my lifts every week.

It’s a fairy side-effect free cycle too. Real enjoyable. You’ll feel like you’re on Red Bull every day. 500 Test will cause some bloat but within 2 weeks of finishing, the bloat went away and the results are great. Tbol can give people headaches and EQ can raise red-blood cell count but other than that there’s no fear of estrogen and you don’t have any of the progesterone or prolactin issues (i.e. no deca dick and no need for caber).


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[xxplosive]

I wouldn’t consider 400 mg of nandrolone a lot by any means and it’s definitely not a mega dose, same with the test.
I don’t see why he couldn’t get fairly lean with it. I’ve stayed lean many times running deca and on more then 400mg of test

Well dude... YOU are crazy jacked and a much bigger dude and i am assuming have years of experience under your belt. OP is about ~200ish pounds, has done a couple cycles.

There is also the matter of individual bloat/aromatization sensitivity- Me, at 230+ lbs, several cycles under my belt, Im bloating on 125mg Test E and 200mg NPP per week.

Based on my personal experience... 800mg (400 Test/400 nandrolone), a week, is a lot of aromatizing compounds.

IMO, if someone is having success cutting/recomping on a lot of aromatizing compounds, its because they are genetically lucky that they arent sensitive to bloat and on a spartan diet.

I personally am NOT in that genetic category, nor am I willing to give up salt, sodium and saturated fat completely.

Perhaps the OP is, and in that case, go ahead- but 3 cycles and 200-210 lbs, a bit of Test, 500mg of GOOD EQ and Tbol is more than enough and all that nandrolone is, IMHO, excessive and unnecessary.

Btw dude... wtf are you on in that avatar pic? lol jesus, Im kinda scares of you across the internet!

 

[Hevi-head]

Well dude... YOU are crazy jacked and a much bigger dude and i am assuming have years of experience under your belt. OP is about ~200ish pounds, has done a couple cycles.

There is also the matter of individual bloat/aromatization sensitivity- Me, at 230+ lbs, several cycles under my belt, Im bloating on 125mg Test E and 200mg NPP per week.

Based on my personal experience... 800mg (400 Test/400 nandrolone), a week, is a lot of aromatizing compounds.

IMO, if someone is having success cutting/recomping on a lot of aromatizing compounds, its because they are genetically lucky that they arent sensitive to bloat and on a spartan diet.

I personally am NOT in that genetic category, nor am I willing to give up salt, sodium and saturated fat completely.

Perhaps the OP is, and in that case, go ahead- but 3 cycles and 200-210 lbs, a bit of Test, 500mg of GOOD EQ and Tbol is more than enough and all that nandrolone is, IMHO, excessive and unnecessary.

Btw dude... wtf are you on in that avatar pic? lol jesus, Im kinda scares of you across the internet!

I appreciate the compliments bro. You’re right everyone is completely different when it comes to water retention how different compounds affect them.
I don’t bloat up crazy but can definitely hold some extra water if diet turns to total shit.
My summer cutter cycles are test, mast tren with maybe some var and lower dose (50 mg ED) drol.
Btw you’re pretty damned jacked yourself, great symmetry

 

[kaarona]

ok so after consideration, I am planning my bulk cycle for winter. I will cut next summer with shorter esters.

I am thinking 16 weeks at:
500mg Test E (same dosage as last cycle)
400mg Deca (want to run slightly lower than the test to prevent Deca Dick)
500 mg EQ

I will kick off the front with Dbol and end with Anavar on whinny.

This will be my 4th cycle and have only done Test and orals. Is this too much? Seems to be fairly mild cycle on the sides.

xxplosive - i take in all your info and appreciate it for sure. I just see a lot of good info running the Deca and EQ together and my last cycle was 500mg Test E so I know I can handle that test dose and felt like a sweet spot.

 

[kaarona]

Or Test E 500mg and Deca 400mg and then try adding in some HGH?? would that be better?

 

[Hevi-head]

ok so after consideration, I am planning my bulk cycle for winter. I will cut next summer with shorter esters.

I am thinking 16 weeks at:
500mg Test E (same dosage as last cycle)
400mg Deca (want to run slightly lower than the test to prevent Deca Dick)
500 mg EQ

I will kick off the front with Dbol and end with Anavar on whinny.

This will be my 4th cycle and have only done Test and orals. Is this too much? Seems to be fairly mild cycle on the sides.

xxplosive - i take in all your info and appreciate it for sure. I just see a lot of good info running the Deca and EQ together and my last cycle was 500mg Test E so I know I can handle that test dose and felt like a sweet spot.

Just an FYI, more test then deca does nothing for deca dick. It’s caused by too much prolactin from the deca. You can run a trt dose of test and 600 mg of deca and be just fine as long long as you keep estrogen and prolactin in check.

 

[kaarona]

gotya... you think I should still stay at 500 Test E since that was what i ran last cycle and it was right in my sweet spot! felt great!

 

[xxplosive]

ok so after consideration, I am planning my bulk cycle for winter. I will cut next summer with shorter esters.

I am thinking 16 weeks at:
500mg Test E (same dosage as last cycle)
400mg Deca (want to run slightly lower than the test to prevent Deca Dick)
500 mg EQ

I will kick off the front with Dbol and end with Anavar on whinny.

This will be my 4th cycle and have only done Test and orals. Is this too much? Seems to be fairly mild cycle on the sides.

xxplosive - i take in all your info and appreciate it for sure. I just see a lot of good info running the Deca and EQ together and my last cycle was 500mg Test E so I know I can handle that test dose and felt like a sweet spot.

For a BULK, thats a great cycle with fair dosing. If youre gonna just be bulking anyways, might as well finish with drol over anavar to end with, as IMO no point in trying to shave off negligible amounts of fat with the var getting overshadowed by that much aromitization... take advantage of your system being fully saturated with potent, long estered mass building oils and finish off adding some good mass again towards the end.

 

[muscle1031]

Test 1-20
EQ or Bold cyp 1-20

Slow steady gains. Toss in a 4 week kicker on the front end and if I were you I would run HCG through the whole cycle or pick it up 4 weeks in. You will be amazed at how well you feel when you go back natty. I'm on another smaller but great forum and 4 of 5 of the guys have been doing this and every guy who has done it said he will never cycle without hcg. It's just good to keep the light switch on and have a signal running so when synthetic test is no more your body quickly ramps up the testes back to pre cycle levels.

It's all going to come down to your diet, this we all know but often do not follow.

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