Mk677

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

So can i use T3 and caber with MK-677 and beat those sides?

If so, this would be worth attempting to run again

Careful with t-3 brother (do your homework )

I believe I posted at length here somewhere about it.

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Otherwise , I'll elaborate more later.

MotorCity

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Careful with t-3 brother (do your homework )

I believe I posted at length here somewhere about it.

Just got up.to.piss & going back to sleep, just had to ✓ ✓
On something. Look it up here I'm.surr itll pop up.

Otherwise , I'll elaborate more later.

MotorCity

Will let u explain brother!!!
Me and [MENTION=968]MotorCityMuscleMachine[/MENTION]
On a very high level of experience...
If out post are looked at and compared we are often saying exact thing especially with gear, AI use, hgh, IGF and thyroid use...

We have learned over years myself 20 of use and research. I first had to let myself go thru things numerous times to determine what was really going on and by labs or trial and error carefully identify and treat symptoms of suppression..

As I said I used t3 and t4 more than 2x for sure to combat hgh suppression of thyroid and I did it careful checking heart rate and BP and playing close attention to changes.

#1 don't fuck with thyroid unless it's necessary and not until then only!!!
#2 t4 much safer than t3
#3 dose should be low and kept low as possible I myself used Novathyral mix Pharma grade at 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4
Plus I added 1/2 Tirromel 12.5mcg then 1 whole Tirromel later 25mcg. My max dose was 45mcg t3 and 100mcg t4. I was obviously suppressed and went up slowly until I felt right and heart rate and BP were perfect!!! I take Cialis 10-12.5mg a day alot of D-line Cialis. This is my only BP control and I must say my BP runs at 117/65 my heart rate around 70-84 bpm. So i will say bp control by staying lean and doing cardio and HIIT very very important I am 43, 5'8" 195-210. I stay at size that my BP is good period. Only lean muscle and low BF keep BP good for me!!! So with that said t3 can cause BP issues especially if someone having difficulty controlling on own and can cause heart rate too high with palpitations!!!
T3 will suppress thyroid further!!!
T4 safer with hgh or MK as they cause more to convert into t3 and cause less suppression!!!
I have used careful with all vitals in place I don't believe in ramping up and then down.
I use for durations if necessary and monitor. I have came off successfully serveral times and tried to use again another time and even 1 Novathyral at 20/100 t3 to t4 put my heart rate at 104 so I shut it down after it didn't settle in 2 days!!! I also take adderall 40mg a day for adhd so I am now on hgh off thyroid and adjusted and don't need it!!

T3 can be dangerous if used incorrect and can cause more trouble if it's not needed!!!

Let's see what MCMM has to say!!!!

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[xxplosive]

I learned my lesson years ago with t3. I hate it personally.

The only reason I would use it again was bc i was not aware of the thyroid suppression from mk-677 and the prolactin issues.

Being that you say mk677 needs to be ran for 6+ months and its dangerous to run t3 for more than a month straight... How does this work?

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

Will let u explain brother!!!
Me and [MENTION=968]MotorCityMuscleMachine[/MENTION]
On a very high level of experience...
If out post are looked at and compared we are often saying exact thing especially with gear, AI use, hgh, IGF and thyroid use...

We have learned over years myself 20 of use and research. I first had to let myself go thru things numerous times to determine what was really going on and by labs or trial and error carefully identify and treat symptoms of suppression..

As I said I used t3 and t4 more than 2x for sure to combat hgh suppression of thyroid and I did it careful checking heart rate and BP and playing close attention to changes.

#1 don't fuck with thyroid unless it's necessary and not until then only!!!
#2 t4 much safer than t3
#3 dose should be low and kept low as possible I myself used Novathyral mix Pharma grade at 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4
Plus I added 1/2 Tirromel 12.5mcg then 1 whole Tirromel later 25mcg. My max dose was 45mcg t3 and 100mcg t4. I was obviously suppressed and went up slowly until I felt right and heart rate and BP were perfect!!! I take Cialis 10-12.5mg a day alot of D-line Cialis. This is my only BP control and I must say my BP runs at 117/65 my heart rate around 70-84 bpm. So i will say bp control by staying lean and doing cardio and HIIT very very important I am 43, 5'8" 195-210. I stay at size that my BP is good period. Only lean muscle and low BF keep BP good for me!!! So with that said t3 can cause BP issues especially if someone having difficulty controlling on own and can cause heart rate too high with palpitations!!!
T3 will suppress thyroid further!!!
T4 safer with hgh or MK as they cause more to convert into t3 and cause less suppression!!!
I have used careful with all vitals in place I don't believe in ramping up and then down.
I use for durations if necessary and monitor. I have came off successfully serveral times and tried to use again another time and even 1 Novathyral at 20/100 t3 to t4 put my heart rate at 104 so I shut it down after it didn't settle in 2 days!!! I also take adderall 40mg a day for adhd so I am now on hgh off thyroid and adjusted and don't need it!!

T3 can be dangerous if used incorrect and can cause more trouble if it's not needed!!!

Let's see what MCMM has to say!!!!

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Let.me quote, ( rather "direct" this to my ole' buddy Amozoc, whom left us some time back , I believe due to having health issues) and had to stop AAS

{ Amozoc, ole bud I hope all is well if your lurking from
time to time } he always offered up good insight here, a valuable asset for sure.

So, his write-up /post on the matter is very thorough.

I thought I had posted some of the same info on t-3 myself somewhere here, but can't seem to find it...?

https://hardcore-underground.com/sh...edication-Boost-Performance?highlight=Thyroid

Now, 1 correction (not to step on your toes MM ) but it "is" a must to taper t-3 "up" {{ and }} back down the same way in reverse gradual order same as going up.

You can't just stop it, nor should you just throw a random amt in the mix Cynomel is a good ratio of t-3 /t-4 in one tab.

*** My biggest concern with t-3 is that if used improperly
It can Chew up hard earned Muscle.

It can be a valuable addition if gaining Mass a d Long side
GH of course , but you must provide the caloric intake sufficient enuff to not allow it to Chew away at hard earned Muscle , in other words it will help a person with a slower metabolism eat "surplus" calories & gain while still remaining reasonably lean.

However , another way if achieving this is to do "fasted" intermittent cardio. Upon waking.

"THEN" stuff your face away...! It'll help offset laying down fat stores while enhanced uptake/utilization of nutrients.

I had taken t-3 upwards of 75mcg while on Tren/Sust or Omnadren GH and one or the other Dbol / Anadrol & Clen

And was shredded at 235

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Let.me quote, ( rather "direct" this to my ole' buddy Amozoc, whom left us some time back , I believe due to having health issues) and had to stop AAS

{ Amozoc, ole bud I hope all is well if your lurking from
time to time } he always offered up good insight here, a valuable asset for sure.

So, his write-up /post on the matter is very thorough.

I thought I had posted some of the same info on t-3 myself somewhere here, but can't seem to find it...?

https://hardcore-underground.com/sh...edication-Boost-Performance?highlight=Thyroid

Now, 1 correction (not to step on your toes MM ) but it "is" a must to taper t-3 "up" {{ and }} back down the same way in reverse gradual order same as going up.

You can't just stop it, nor should you just throw a random amt in the mix Cynomel is a good ratio of t-3 /t-4 in one tab.

*** My biggest concern with t-3 is that if used improperly
It can Chew up hard earned Muscle.

It can be a valuable addition if gaining Mass a d Long side
GH of course , but you must provide the caloric intake sufficient enuff to not allow it to Chew away at hard earned Muscle , in other words it will help a person with a slower metabolism eat "surplus" calories & gain while still remaining reasonably lean.

However , another way if achieving this is to do "fasted" intermittent cardio. Upon waking.

"THEN" stuff your face away...! It'll help offset laying down fat stores while enhanced uptake/utilization of nutrients.

I had taken t-3 upwards of 75mcg while on Tren/Sust or Omnadren GH and one or the other Dbol / Anadrol & Clen

And was shredded at 235

I agree what I meant was taper up high like 125. Ramp up.
I rather taper up to dose need for duration and stay there for duration then taper off t3 then t4.


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[Muscle mechanic]

I learned my lesson years ago with t3. I hate it personally.

The only reason I would use it again was bc i was not aware of the thyroid suppression from mk-677 and the prolactin issues.

Being that you say mk677 needs to be ran for 6+ months and its dangerous to run t3 for more than a month straight... How does this work?

I have ran Novothyral t3 and t4 mix for 6 months more than once. And had no issues.
My thyroid bounced back staying on hgh 5iu a day!!

I had to warn u about possible dangers of t3.... the crap about damage to thyroid is overrated!!!! It's like saying a 6 month run gesr will kill gonads!! Thyroid isn't gonads it's a working gland all the time.

When on hgh and climbing once u stimulate more thyroid long enough.....
U adjust to dose thyroid is stopped and put thyroid often keeps up with where it was on meds if your thyroid good.

Thyroid used to cut and or combat sides to get over hump. I saw no rebound and my thyroid stayed inferno!! I am on 3.3 -5 iu hgh a day ATM no thyroid

I am ripped and need aid to sleep. Thyroid works like never before

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[Muscle mechanic]

Being this went into t3/t4
I will say if it's used correctly and proper with gear enough gear it can be used as a tool to stimulate more out of metabolism and have nutrients available to shuttle unlike a sluggish metabolism...

When I do use t3 I never have needed more than 50mcg. I used global brand mix t3/t4 50mcg of each with great success and then Novothyral 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4 mix but I started getting edema in hands again after switching to Novothyral mix from the global mix. So i added Tirromel until i felt better and it subsides.
My best dose was 32.5 t3 and 100mcg t4 with 5-7iu hgh. When i finished cut of that run I bumped to 45mcg t3 for 5 weeks.

When I stop t3/t4 at those doses I taper t3 down to by just taking the Novothyral 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4 for 1 week then t4 100 for 4 days then t4 50mcg for 5 days then I stop.

I use an Iodine Thyroid stimulating supp that is 2 drops rubbed between wrist. It's absorbed thru skin and I take other support supps. I came back in 10 days free t4 was 1 point below range I think. My bp is better on Novothyral though... lol!!
I continue in gym and make myself break sweat daily to stimulate natty thyroid.

My thyroid natty always been high fast metabolism. I had heat stroke after that it never was same.... after using 4-6 months a couple times my thyroid is keeping up now where it was before...
Maybe it's co-incidence, but I have seen this often happens that a course of thyroid can help thyroid to produce more after coming off... no issues coming off for myself. Just wanted to add that.
My wife takes for durations of 6 weeks and comes off no problem either. With her she couldn't lose weight then after a run are 2 the weight continued to come off. She is now 128lbs and 5'4".

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[xxplosive]

Being this went into t3/t4
I will say if it's used correctly and proper with gear enough gear it can be used as a tool to stimulate more out of metabolism and have nutrients available to shuttle unlike a sluggish metabolism...

When I do use t3 I never have needed more than 50mcg. I used global brand mix t3/t4 50mcg of each with great success and then Novothyral 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4 mix but I started getting edema in hands again after switching to Novothyral mix from the global mix. So i added Tirromel until i felt better and it subsides.
My best dose was 32.5 t3 and 100mcg t4 with 5-7iu hgh. When i finished cut of that run I bumped to 45mcg t3 for 5 weeks.

When I stop t3/t4 at those doses I taper t3 down to by just taking the Novothyral 20mcg t3 and 100mcg t4 for 1 week then t4 100 for 4 days then t4 50mcg for 5 days then I stop.

I use an Iodine Thyroid stimulating supp that is 2 drops rubbed between wrist. It's absorbed thru skin and I take other support supps. I came back in 10 days free t4 was 1 point below range I think. My bp is better on Novothyral though... lol!!
I continue in gym and make myself break sweat daily to stimulate natty thyroid.

My thyroid natty always been high fast metabolism. I had heat stroke after that it never was same.... after using 4-6 months a couple times my thyroid is keeping up now where it was before...
Maybe it's co-incidence, but I have seen this often happens that a course of thyroid can help thyroid to produce more after coming off... no issues coming off for myself. Just wanted to add that.
My wife takes for durations of 6 weeks and comes off no problem either. With her she couldn't lose weight then after a run are 2 the weight continued to come off. She is now 128lbs and 5'4".

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So what would a safe mk677/t3 or t4 dosing protocol be?

Can i do MK-677 at 10-12mg a night and 25mcg of T3 a day for 6 months?

And caber at .5mg e3 days?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

So what would a safe mk677/t3 or t4 dosing protocol be?

Can i do MK-677 at 10-12mg a night and 25mcg of T3 a day for 6 months?

And caber at .5mg e3 days?

Take MK 677 at 12.5 mg a day.
Try in morning some have vivid dreams that keep them awake at night from night dose.

Take at night if necessary

Cabar ONLY TAKE 0.5MG AT 2X week at most. Try to take less.

T3 leave alone
T4 leave alone

First u try to adjust on own most do..
If not come back and ask questions

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[Muscle mechanic]

For OP and or @Explosive
Use Mk at 10-12.5mg a day.
Understand that the gains in begining are nothing!!!! They are prolactin water retension with some thyroid suppression.
So these are not benifits at all, lol!! Even though they do put on some lbs in some.

Control diet and food intake don't let it make u eat....

Yes the cabar at 0.25mg @2× wk fine 0.5mg @2x wk most!!!!

I should adjust to that MK dose no problem let time pass for lethargy to clear. Push yourself use thyroid stimulating supplements that natty increase thyroid.
Take at night if hunger and tiredness get to u.
Or before dinner so u eat and eat to bed before eating too much more.

Understand u need to take this beyond point of the begining adjustment period I don't care what a label says Benifits from this or hgh are seen from 4-6 months mark just noticing, but taking longer term much better..

Without a doubt u will adjust to that dose and be able to use long term.

T3 or t4... u don't just take that stuff.
And before u ever would u wait till it's necessary only!!! OR the point is either I drop MK or I Gotta try something!!! Unless edema starts I would not use t3 or t4.

If sides get that bad... may be consider 10mcg t3 and 50mcg t4... the Novothyral is great. Then stafer to add more t4 before t3. But in this case bump Novothyral to 20mcg and t4 100mcg that is one dose of that preparation mix of Novothyral.
T4 Euthyrox can be used alone but know t4 last longer and May kick in after a couple days so increase slowly same with t3. And trust me 25mcg if t3 can do ALOT at the right or wrong time.

I tried Novothyral again a few months back to get back on it. I took 1 of Novothyral 20mcg to 100mcg t3/t4 mix. Heart rate was 104 resting. I was denied to donate at blood bank!!! I never would of known if I didn't go that day I felt great energy..
I took for months many times before so wasn't worried!!! Well I started checking on my own rest of day. Took only 1/2 Novothyral next morning everything was same resting heart rate was 104bpm.
The next day I took none and heart rate stayed in 90'. So finally I donated clearing screening the Saturdays Morning..

I didn't take it again and I am fine... I am just on hgh no MK. But 2 different runs on hgh I needed the extra thyroid. For myself 1 Novothyral 20/100 t3/t4 enough but 45mcg t3 with 100 t4 clears edema in hands that build at night!!!
So this round hgh I started in February straight at 4-5iu because I only hoped off December and January. I needed the Novothyral again and also had the bile puking symptom with tren (prolactin)
I dropped tren but continued test, Deca, trest ace, mast, primo, Anadrol HGH 5 IU, CABAR 0.5MG 2XWK, AND GLOBAL CYTOMEL 50MCG T3 50MCG T4.
RAN OUT GLOBAL STARTED NOVOTHYRAL 20/100 it didn't compare to the 50mcg t3 so I added 12.5mcg Tiromel

I came off thyroid from that run June 29th after a contest, I stayed on hgh 5 iu a day since but lowered to 3.3-4iu recently just to maintain and will use 5iu to 6iu on burst blast 6-8 weeks then 3.3-4 iu on cruise time 12 weeks or more...

So that is example of how we can adjust.
Also studies show T4 is converted more with HGH I imagine same with MK 677.
I always had mixes but now have all of them.

I only use Pharma T3 and T4 ONLY.
Global a Pharma in my opinion.
But I use brands below because they Pharma and access easy. But will say Global Brand was dam good it's just access for me..
Brands i trust and used
- Global Pharma CytoMix 100 (50mcg of t3&t4)
- Tiromel t3 (25mcg)
- Novothyral (Merck Senoro) t3/t4 mix there are different mixes pay attention
I like the 20ug t3 to t4 100ug mix
(ug=mcg)
- Euthyrox (Merck Senoro) T4 100mcg


Hope I helped. Don't use t3 or t4 unless down road it's talked about after u experiencing sides that u can't kick!!!

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[xxplosive]

Ya, I would rather not fuck with t3.

What are some otc thyroid stimulating options?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Ya, I would rather not fuck with t3.

What are some otc thyroid stimulating options?

T2..T1..
Thyro-inferno let me get u a label

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[Muscle mechanic]

Ya, I would rather not fuck with t3.

What are some otc thyroid stimulating options?

Here are a few.
Think a couple ingredients are T2 and maybe T1.
The 3,5-Dilodo-L-Thyrorine is T2 if I am not mistaken....
Research it...

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[Muscle mechanic]

Here are a few.
Think a couple ingredients are T2 and maybe T1.
The 3,5-Dilodo-L-Thyrorine is T2 if I am not mistaken....
Research it...

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[Muscle mechanic]

Ya, I would rather not fuck with t3.

What are some otc thyroid stimulating options?

Also important to note, that with growth hormone stimulation the problem... is not your thyroid!! It's call NTIS (Non Thyroid Illness Syndrome)
It's from growth hormone affecting Pituitary gland and suppressing TSH signalling...
Eventually u will adjust normally...
With hgh going around 5iu generic mark normally will do it until adjusted.
With MK u will adjust easier...
Use MK at 12.5mg get adjusted and add hgh 1-2 iu. 1 iu at a time if course or less..

U asked about MK I am giving u my best from research i have done for myself.

Mk 12.5 mg if good stuff should be plenty u may be able to tread to 25mg depending we all different and if u think gear is something.... Hgh levels another animal.

I will say this... once on hgh or MK even raised hgh levels compared to low, gear works a whole lot better and u didn't need as much!!!

Syntergesic affects from both together make difference in gear use. But once on enough hgh whether hgh or MK plus Hgh u will never have it any other way. Adjustment period happens for all then it's great!! Bloat and CST, or edema don't last forever

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[xxplosive]

Also important to note, that with growth hormone stimulation the problem... is not your thyroid!! It's call NTIS (Non Thyroid Illness Syndrome)
It's from growth hormone affecting Pituitary gland and suppressing TSH signalling...
Eventually u will adjust normally...
With hgh going around 5iu generic mark normally will do it until adjusted.
With MK u will adjust easier...
Use MK at 12.5mg get adjusted and add hgh 1-2 iu. 1 iu at a time if course or less..

U asked about MK I am giving u my best from research i have done for myself.

Mk 12.5 mg if good stuff should be plenty u may be able to tread to 25mg depending we all different and if u think gear is something.... Hgh levels another animal.

I will say this... once on hgh or MK even raised hgh levels compared to low, gear works a whole lot better and u didn't need as much!!!

Syntergesic affects from both together make difference in gear use. But once on enough hgh whether hgh or MK plus Hgh u will never have it any other way. Adjustment period happens for all then it's great!! Bloat and CST, or edema don't last forever

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My mk-677 i had was DEF real, made me a zombie, ate everything in sight, and strength/size went waaaay up within 1-2 weeks.

I just couldn't deal with the lethargy more than any thing. It was miserable and counterproductive to working out.

I have made awesome progress in past, my avatar pic is prob best Ive ever looked and this has been with ZERO hgh use ever...

I am thinking of my first hgh run later this year. Giant Lab seems to have some bad ass blacktops, heard awesome shit about DL greys as well...

Could i get by on 12.5mg of mk-677 for 6 months? Obviously I don't expect similar results to 3-4iu of high quality generic gh, but do you think that would make a considerable difference?

Or better to just put all my chips in on some good hgh?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

My mk-677 i had was DEF real, made me a zombie, ate everything in sight, and strength/size went waaaay up within 1-2 weeks.

I just couldn't deal with the lethargy more than any thing. It was miserable and counterproductive to working out.

I have made awesome progress in past, my avatar pic is prob best Ive ever looked and this has been with ZERO hgh use ever...

I am thinking of my first hgh run later this year. Giant Lab seems to have some bad ass blacktops, heard awesome shit about DL greys as well...

Could i get by on 12.5mg of mk-677 for 6 months? Obviously I don't expect similar results to 3-4iu of high quality generic gh, but do you think that would make a considerable difference?

Or better to just put all my chips in on some good hgh?

If i didn't have Hgh.... I am stocked with MK...

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[Muscle mechanic]

My mk-677 i had was DEF real, made me a zombie, ate everything in sight, and strength/size went waaaay up within 1-2 weeks.

I just couldn't deal with the lethargy more than any thing. It was miserable and counterproductive to working out.

I have made awesome progress in past, my avatar pic is prob best Ive ever looked and this has been with ZERO hgh use ever...

I am thinking of my first hgh run later this year. Giant Lab seems to have some bad ass blacktops, heard awesome shit about DL greys as well...

Could i get by on 12.5mg of mk-677 for 6 months? Obviously I don't expect similar results to 3-4iu of high quality generic gh, but do you think that would make a considerable difference?

Or better to just put all my chips in on some good hgh?

If i didn't have Hgh.... I am stocked with MK for long time

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[OHBRUTUSIO]

What about adding Hex and Ipam in to the mix w MK-677?


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[Muscle mechanic]

What about adding Hex and Ipam in to the mix w MK-677?


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Ipamorrelin cool but with hex watch for prolactin sides

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