Winter is coming!

[Colossus-Raptor]

Winter is coming and it's time to bulk! Hey guys I'm new to the forum, but not so much AAS and supplements. Of course I can learn more and try new compounds! My last cycle was 500mg of Test C a week with 400mg of mast E a week and some PH' s thrown in. For my next cycle I want to try some Test E with some NPP. I've been doing some reading around on doses and what to run. I was also thinking of kick starting with some dbol.

Any advice from others who have ran NPP or have any advice to throw in is appreciated.

I'm trt so pct isn't a problem. Also I'll have tudca, krill oil, joint support and a cycle support during cycle. I have exemestane on hand, but will grab some caber for this run.

Thanks guys!

 

[Gone]

I would do test c or e...with deca and the dbol to kick start not npp. Just my opinion

 

[Colossus-Raptor]

I would do test c or e...with deca and the dbol to kick start not npp. Just my opinion

Ok see I've spoke with someone briefly about this. I understand the different esters of the test c or e and the NPP. I was wanting something like this:
1-4 weeks dbol @ ?mg
1-8 weeks NPP @ ?mg
Test E or C @ ? Mg

I could go with a test prop with the NPP but dont really want to switch up from the Test C or E. Also I wanting to try NPP over deca because I can run it a shorter time frame. Also I heard you dont get most of the deca sides from NPP.

Thoughts?

 

[Huge1]

I would do test c or e...with deca and the dbol to kick start not npp. Just my opinion

I agree.

 

[Colossus-Raptor]

I agree.

I was wanting to stay away from deca if possible. So if I ran a NPP cycle would you say run it with test prop?

 

[Gone]

I was wanting to stay away from deca if possible. So if I ran a NPP cycle would you say run it with test prop?

u could run test e with npp..i just run deca cause its less pinning

 

[Huge1]

I was wanting to stay away from deca if possible. So if I ran a NPP cycle would you say run it with test prop?

You can.

 

[Colossus-Raptor]

u could run test e with npp..i just run deca cause its less pinning

I'm not to worried about the pinning as I am for the gains over the sides. So would running NPP give less bloat and less chances of deca, over running just deca?

Sorry man just trying to figure out what would be best, again thank y'all!

 

[Huge1]

Curious... y short ester?

 

[Gone]

I'm not to worried about the pinning as I am for the gains over the sides. So would running NPP give less bloat and less chances of deca, over running just deca?

Sorry man just trying to figure out what would be best, again thank y'all!

sure..it would give less bloat. you will get some bloat from test e.
i`d run
NPP AT 100-150mg eod

 

[Huge1]

Isn't typical 300-600mg common dosage? Per week.

 

[Colossus-Raptor]

sure..it would give less bloat. you will get some bloat from test e.
i`d run
NPP AT 100-150mg eod

Ok cool I'll start at 100mg EOD and work to 150mg. Yeah I noticed some bloat when i first started using test c, but now my body is used to the compound and I really don't notice much bloat anymore. When I was running 500mg a week I did for sure.

 

[Colossus-Raptor]

Curious... y short ester?

From what I've read you can get great gains with less sides. Plus having to run the NPP for a shorter time frame compared to the deca.

So if I ran the test E, dbol and NPP. How would my gains change if I had the deca and not the NPP?

 

[Nutpuncher]

I believe bloat can be controlled regardless of ester provided that your e2 and diet is under control and on point. My belief is based on my personal experience, so you may not have the same experience as I did/do. If you don't mind daily or EOD pinning, then go for NPP and Test Prop, but I prefer a Test with long ester as my Test test base over short Test ester. The reason is simply due to less pinning....pinning long ester such as cyp or enth twice a week will keep your blood level stable. Sure you can do the same with short ester, but you'd have to pin Test Prop EOD. But its your choice. I used to love daily pins, but not anymore.

Also, I like to front load long ester to get your blood levels up faster. Do some research on front loading...Bill Robert has a great article about it. Since this is your first taste of Nandrolone, I agree with D-RED's suggestion..NPP at 100-150mg EOD.

The key is source selection. Get good gear and you won't need to pin so much mg per week.

Keep your e2 under control and you won't have any prolactin issues. I've used Nandrolone and Tren together which are both 19-nortestosterone and had to prolactin issues, but the gains were great and damn the constant sweating and especially the night sweats were so much that I could've filtered my sweat for drinking water (not sure if that is possible lol). I've never used caber or prami nor did I have any on hand because I kept my e2 in check.


I know you said you have some exemestane on hand...Is that what you will be using as an AI? There is advantages and disadvantages of using exemestane over adex as AI. Advantage is Adex raises bad cholesterol (I have blood work to prove) and exemestane doesn't. Disadvantages is pharma exemestane is usually more expensive. I assume your TRT doc put you on adex, but you will need a higher dose while on cycle than on TRT dose (which I am sure you already know).

You may not need 500mg test per week even though that's what you used before. 500mg per week is a cookie cutter suggestion that gets echoed. I've made great gains on 200-300mg per week and the lower dose causes less Aromatization which means less potential for bloat and sides and less AI. But what works for me may not work for you.

 

[IronHorse]

Winter is coming and it's time to grab your bow and get in a damn tree baby! Arrows are going to fly and Whitetail are going to die!

 

[Huge1]

I believe bloat can be controlled regardless of ester provided that your e2 and diet is under control and on point. My belief is based on my personal experience, so you may not have the same experience as I did/do. If you don't mind daily or EOD pinning, then go for NPP and Test Prop, but I prefer a Test with long ester as my Test test base over short Test ester. The reason is simply due to less pinning....pinning long ester such as cyp or enth twice a week will keep your blood level stable. Sure you can do the same with short ester, but you'd have to pin Test Prop EOD. But its your choice. I used to love daily pins, but not anymore.

Also, I like to front load long ester to get your blood levels up faster. Do some research on front loading...Bill Robert has a great article about it. Since this is your first taste of Nandrolone, I agree with D-RED's suggestion..NPP at 100-150mg EOD.

The key is source selection. Get good gear and you won't need to pin so much mg per week.

Keep your e2 under control and you won't have any prolactin issues. I've used Nandrolone and Tren together which are both 19-nortestosterone and had to prolactin issues, but the gains were great and damn the constant sweating and especially the night sweats were so much that I could've filtered my sweat for drinking water (not sure if that is possible lol). I've never used caber or prami nor did I have any on hand because I kept my e2 in check.


I know you said you have some exemestane on hand...Is that what you will be using as an AI? There is advantages and disadvantages of using exemestane over adex as AI. Advantage is Adex raises bad cholesterol (I have blood work to prove) and exemestane doesn't. Disadvantages is pharma exemestane is usually more expensive. I assume your TRT doc put you on adex, but you will need a higher dose while on cycle than on TRT dose (which I am sure you already know).

You may not need 500mg test per week even though that's what you used before. 500mg per week is a cookie cutter suggestion that gets echoed. I've made great gains on 200-300mg per week and the lower dose causes less Aromatization which means less potential for bloat and sides and less AI. But what works for me may not work for you.

Diet is everything.

 

[Colossus-Raptor]

I believe bloat can be controlled regardless of ester provided that your e2 and diet is under control and on point. My belief is based on my personal experience, so you may not have the same experience as I did/do. If you don't mind daily or EOD pinning, then go for NPP and Test Prop, but I prefer a Test with long ester as my Test test base over short Test ester. The reason is simply due to less pinning....pinning long ester such as cyp or enth twice a week will keep your blood level stable. Sure you can do the same with short ester, but you'd have to pin Test Prop EOD. But its your choice. I used to love daily pins, but not anymore.

Also, I like to front load long ester to get your blood levels up faster. Do some research on front loading...Bill Robert has a great article about it. Since this is your first taste of Nandrolone, I agree with D-RED's suggestion..NPP at 100-150mg EOD.

The key is source selection. Get good gear and you won't need to pin so much mg per week.

Keep your e2 under control and you won't have any prolactin issues. I've used Nandrolone and Tren together which are both 19-nortestosterone and had to prolactin issues, but the gains were great and damn the constant sweating and especially the night sweats were so much that I could've filtered my sweat for drinking water (not sure if that is possible lol). I've never used caber or prami nor did I have any on hand because I kept my e2 in check.


I know you said you have some exemestane on hand...Is that what you will be using as an AI? There is advantages and disadvantages of using exemestane over adex as AI. Advantage is Adex raises bad cholesterol (I have blood work to prove) and exemestane doesn't. Disadvantages is pharma exemestane is usually more expensive. I assume your TRT doc put you on adex, but you will need a higher dose while on cycle than on TRT dose (which I am sure you already know).

You may not need 500mg test per week even though that's what you used before. 500mg per week is a cookie cutter suggestion that gets echoed. I've made great gains on 200-300mg per week and the lower dose causes less Aromatization which means less potential for bloat and sides and less AI. But what works for me may not work for you.

Thanks for the input! Ok I'll look into the front loading. So if I run test prop with the NPP, for 8 weeks. Will the different esters of the test (switching from test c to test prop) mess with me any? Then switching back over after the 8 weeks? I would like to run my test around 200-300mg a week as you stated. Ok I can look into some adex as well, thanks for th recommendation. Plus the exemestane is killing my joints!

Again the only reason I've been saying NPP over deca is I've read here and there that some users have less sides and better gains from the NPP. But again as you stated it's user dependant and everyone responds differently.

Edit: Yes sir I'm reviewing the sources here and cross referencing on other sites for reviews and blood work. Yes I want some good solid gear.

 

[Colossus-Raptor]

Winter is coming and it's time to grab your bow and get in a damn tree baby! Arrows are going to fly and Whitetail are going to die!

My brother in law has invited me a few times. Just never took him up on it..

 

[Nutpuncher]

Thanks for the input! Ok I'll look into the front loading. So if I run test prop with the NPP, for 8 weeks. Will the different esters of the test (switching from test c to test prop) mess with me any? Then switching back over after the 8 weeks? I would like to run my test around 200-300mg a week as you stated. Ok I can look into some adex as well, thanks for th recommendation. Plus the exemestane is killing my joints!

Again the only reason I've been saying NPP over deca is I've read here and there that some users have less sides and better gains from the NPP. But again as you stated it's user dependant and everyone responds differently.

Edit: Yes sir I'm reviewing the sources here and cross referencing on other sites for reviews and blood work. Yes I want some good solid gear.

Different ester will be fine as long as you understand their 1/2 lives and adjust your transitioning dose accordingly. There used to be a website that you can enter your compound, dose and frequency and it'll graph it which will show roughly when an ester will be depleted. It would be simpler and easier just to stick with one ester or both ester the entire cycle. What is your reason for switching ester? Usually folks that PCT will switch to short ester near the end of their cycle so they can start PCT sooner, but your on TRT so that isn't an issue.

You can always increase test if needed. Some folks like to taper their test...For example, something like 300mg week 1, 400mg week 2, 500mg week 3-XX, then revert back wards, but I wouldn't do that only because I like to keep it simple and use the same amount the entire cycle unless you have to adjust due to sides.

The reason why exemestane is killing your joints is because its keeping your e2 TOO LOW. Are you having other symptoms? Such as no libido, minor night sweats, lack of motivation and feeling down and not yourself? Those are signs of e2 not in therapeutic range. Whats messed up is high e2 has similar sides effects as low e2 except for joint pain and high e2 will cause you to be an emotional wreck. When mine was high, I cried watching San Andreas movie with the Dwayne Johnson aka da Rock....and it felt so good to cry except under those circumstances. I'd cry hugging my wife and son. My emotions were girlyman....uncool. I got bloodwork and adjusted my dose. Get bloodwork and adjust your exemestane dose or simply cut back a little and see how you feel, but you have to understand your body to adjust without bloodwork which may take couple cycles.

 

[Nutpuncher]

Winter is coming and it's time to grab your bow and get in a damn tree baby! Arrows are going to fly and Whitetail are going to die!

When we going brother? I've always wanted to to go hunting. Especially with night vision and thermals. I'll bring the NVG and thermos!!!!