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I've had liver issues in the past from orals but nothin this crazy and fast... I had no appatiete and felt bloated coupled with dark almost brown piss could only mean either blood in urine or liver stress... still I know it's not solid fact that it was my liver but I'm 80% convinced that it was


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You didn't mention the no appetite part, or I missed that part. Were you running TUDCA from the beginning of the cycle and if so, what dosage?
 
If you didn't have any other symptoms I wouldn't be so quick to jump to liver damage. Could have tried increasing water. In fact I was reading a while back that Tren can turn your piss a dark orange, and not because of liver stress or damage, it's just from the oil or the carrier. It was from some steroid book and under the tren profile section.

U r correct brother... without a panel it's a guessing game


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You didn't mention the no appetite part, or I missed that part. Were you running TUDCA from the beginning of the cycle and if so, what dosage?

Started the tudca the same day I got the mibo


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At 1000 mg a day I usually run silibin and milk thissle I got the tudca when I got the info from you last week I'm still picking up some glutathione from aminos unlm thx for the info K...


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All depends on how you respond to the different drugs though. I know some guys can run superdrol and feel great and different guys run it and feel like death.
 
You could have already done some damage with the T-Bol, although I had thought that T-bol was relatively mild on the liver.

I thought it was too... I'm going to run a panel this week to see what's goin on... if my numbers are off I'm sure the doc is going to order an ultrasound even then there is no way of knowing if there is any fibrosis...


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Unless i do a fibro scan but that shit is expensive last time I did it cost me $400


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I thought it was too... I'm going to run a panel this week to see what's goin on... if my numbers are off I'm sure the doc is going to order an ultrasound even then there is no way of knowing if there is any fibrosis...


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You're numbers have to be pretty damn high for them to order an ultrasound. I get mine checked all the time since my problem back in 05. Majority of the time they say not to worry about it.
 
All depends on how you respond to the different drugs though. I know some guys can run superdrol and feel great and different guys run it and feel like death.
Good point I have no issues from superdrol and bounce back with lipids and liver enzymes within a 5 weeks if TRT of 15-20mg a day 28 day super run

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I thought it was too... I'm going to run a panel this week to see what's goin on... if my numbers are off I'm sure the doc is going to order an ultrasound even then there is no way of knowing if there is any fibrosis...


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I had caught cholestasis from winny in water inj about 10 years ago. 100 eod then 100 ev day 6 weeks total with prop and mast tren. I was ripped and grainy but got sick!

Had no clue suprize life insurance for business loan. Enzymes were high. Lipids fine. They checked me for liver disease.
We insurance was double price per year.

Told me to follow up with Dr. Before I could got yellow eyes felt like crap. Pain in side right at liver inflammation kidney function ended up impaired during the coarse and gall stones followed.

I never took winny again and now very cautious with orals.
We have Any Lab Test NOW here so I have done bloods when Dr wasn't wanted to be a part of.

I believe cheek drops heavily aromatases and will affect kidney function in turn can make u pee like u took too many vitamins or azo's!!

If it were me I wouldn't panic from it but I sure wouldn't use it again

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I had caught cholestasis from winny in water inj about 10 years ago. 100 eod then 100 ev day 6 weeks total with prop and mast tren. I was ripped and grainy but got sick!

Had no clue suprize life insurance for business loan. Enzymes were high. Lipids fine. They checked me for liver disease.
We insurance was double price per year.

Told me to follow up with Dr. Before I could got yellow eyes felt like crap. Pain in side right at liver inflammation kidney function ended up impaired during the coarse and gall stones followed.

I never took winny again and now very cautious with orals.
We have Any Lab Test NOW here so I have done bloods when Dr wasn't wanted to be a part of.

I believe cheek drops heavily aromatases and will affect kidney function in turn can make u pee like u took too many vitamins or azo's!!

If it were me I wouldn't panic from it but I sure wouldn't use it again

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You are lucky. When I went through it in '05 my "bad cholesterol" was super high, I forget the number though. My "good cholesterol" was, "Too low to register" on the blood test. That was from SD though. I don't use oral AAS much anymore. Haven't in a while, but last time I took one I used 2 grams of TUDCA per day and was ok. Still may try others, will definitely be cautious though. I tried Halo but only used it pre-workout sporadically.
 
You are lucky. When I went through it in '05 my "bad cholesterol" was super high, I forget the number though. My "good cholesterol" was, "Too low to register" on the blood test. That was from SD though. I don't use oral AAS much anymore. Haven't in a while, but last time I took one I used 2 grams of TUDCA per day and was ok. Still may try others, will definitely be cautious though. I tried Halo but only used it pre-workout sporadically.
I am same way. Only use avar or low dose anything else.
Not worth it. If i use SD it's low

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I still want to try Anavar, T-bol, and D-bol. Separately of course!. I intend to try them anyway.

One thing that's good about the liver is that it regenerates itself so I think u ok to try those as long as your alt ast are stable between normal markers


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One thing that's good about the liver is that it regenerates itself so I think u ok to try those as long as your alt ast are stable between normal markers


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Yeah I was told that way back when they sent me to see a specialist who was part of a liver transplant team. They told me that if it was that bad they could cut out or cut off the damaged part of the liver and it would actually regrow or regenerate. Of course I'm paraphrasing here and thinking back to 2005. It's something I'll never forget but somethings aren't so clearly remembered. The itching was so bad they taped socks to my hands so I wouldn't scratch. It was soooo bad though, itching 24/7 is no picnic. Nurses yelled at me telling me if I keep scratching it could cause an infection. Then when they left me alone I started scratching again.
 
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