Rambo - Peptide and SARM Q&A

[xxplosive]

Everybody thinks when they feel tired there thyroid is suppressed. Not true. Prolactin increases are insignificant for most.

This is a common side effect of HGH, period. And MK677 releases alot of HGH a dozen times a day. Its like injecting HGH every 2 hrs. Of course lethargy is going to be there!

The truth is MK677 (HGH) increases conversion of T4 to T3 so in simple terms it increases the amount of T3 hence the metabolism. So no that is NOT suppression. I've tested this with my own bloodwork. Yes T4 appears low because more of it is converted but T3 is high and TSH is usually normal (meaning normal thyroid function). I would only add it if bloodwork shows an issue. Trying to use thyroid as a stimulant is bad news in my opinion.

My method to combating lethargy is starting off at very low dose. 5mg. Even 2.5mg sometimes. Then slowly increase weekly by 2.5-5mg. Over time the sides decrease as you continue running it so sticking it out for those first few weeks will help.

When i first started out with it, guys were talking about 25-50mg daily... I can't remember how low i went, i think 25mg or 12.5mg.

Think i will try again using your protocol.

 

[RamboStallone]

When i first started out with it, guys were talking about 25-50mg daily... I can't remember how low i went, i think 25mg or 12.5mg.

Think i will try again using your protocol.

That's way too much. Start low bro, trust me. There are some guys that can run it that high no issues but now most those are an anomaly.

 

[Ivan_Drago]

OR you run them all, one at a time and every 4-8 weeks you switch. I used to do this alot. 8 weeks of MK677 then 8 weeks of hex/cjc, repeat.

This is what I'll wind up doing... start low and try them each individually. Thanks for the input!

Any thoughts or advice for using HGH Frag for fat loss? What I've gathered so far.. pin on empty stomach, working up to 200-500mcg 2-3x per day, with 250mcg twice a day being average.

I'm pretty sure this will be the first peptide I try because my training and recovery are still going very well on minimal gear (250mg Test D/125mg Deca once a week). I'll be on a beach in 4 months so fat loss is my top priority.

Comments from any of the members posting in this thread would be welcome as well.

 

[xxplosive]

My understanding of mk677 is that it increases output of natural gh stores in the pituitary.. Is this accurate?

If so, is there only a limited lifetime supply of this we have and can it potentially fuck us vs. just taking exogenous gh?

 

[RamboStallone]

This is what I'll wind up doing... start low and try them each individually. Thanks for the input!

Any thoughts or advice for using HGH Frag for fat loss? What I've gathered so far.. pin on empty stomach, working up to 200-500mcg 2-3x per day, with 250mcg twice a day being average.

I'm pretty sure this will be the first peptide I try because my training and recovery are still going very well on minimal gear (250mg Test D/125mg Deca once a week). I'll be on a beach in 4 months so fat loss is my top priority.

Comments from any of the members posting in this thread would be welcome as well.

That's correct on the HGH frag brother. My Wife used it after her last pregnancy and loved it for fat loss. She liked using it preworkout/precardio mainly.

 

[RamboStallone]

My understanding of mk677 is that it increases output of natural gh stores in the pituitary.. Is this accurate?

If so, is there only a limited lifetime supply of this we have and can it potentially fuck us vs. just taking exogenous gh?

To answer your questions,

Yes it does release your own HGH.

No there is no limit or chance of complete depletion. The pituitary and hypothalamus make more brother that's why the MK677 works so well, its able to release all that HGH instead of leaving it stored up.

A healthy body does not "run out" of anything. We are not like a container lol the body produces what it needs as long as the correct nutrition is there.

Quite the opposite may be true actually, with exogenous use there is fear of the body stopping its own production. Just like with slin, testosterone, etc. You take exogenous and the body stops making its own. People actually use peps/MK677 to make sure their natural production is still pumping. That's what doctors prescribed it for and what the pharmaceutical companies were investigating these drugs for.

 

[xxplosive]

To answer your questions,

Yes it does release your own HGH.

No there is no limit or chance of complete depletion. The pituitary and hypothalamus make more brother that's why the MK677 works so well, its able to release all that HGH instead of leaving it stored up.

A healthy body does not "run out" of anything. We are not like a container lol the body produces what it needs as long as the correct nutrition is there.

Quite the opposite may be true actually, with exogenous use there is fear of the body stopping its own production. Just like with slin, testosterone, etc. You take exogenous and the body stops making its own. People actually use peps/MK677 to make sure their natural production is still pumping. That's what doctors prescribed it for and what the pharmaceutical companies were investigating these drugs for.

So based on what you told me, would it be accurate to say that the younger one is, the more effective mk677 may be vs gh?

Also i know its not a sarm or pep, but i saw it on your list and am thinking of using but just not really sure how to go about it-- Metformin.

Would this be ideal to use alongside mk in the same manner as gh/slin? What would be a safe/effective protocol to not fuck my insulin sensitivity?

And would it be more ideal for fat loss or muscle gain?

Lastly... Is hyperplasia feasible with long term mk 677 use?

 

[01dragonslayer]

So based on what you told me, would it be accurate to say that the younger one is, the more effective mk677 may be vs gh?

Also i know its not a sarm or pep, but i saw it on your list and am thinking of using but just not really sure how to go about it-- Metformin.

Would this be ideal to use alongside mk in the same manner as gh/slin? What would be a safe/effective protocol to not fuck my insulin sensitivity?

And would it be more ideal for fat loss or muscle gain?

Lastly... Is hyperplasia feasible with long term mk 677 use?

Interested in this as well.

 

[Kins]

So based on what you told me, would it be accurate to say that the younger one is, the more effective mk677 may be vs gh?

Also i know its not a sarm or pep, but i saw it on your list and am thinking of using but just not really sure how to go about it-- Metformin.

Would this be ideal to use alongside mk in the same manner as gh/slin? What would be a safe/effective protocol to not fuck my insulin sensitivity?

And would it be more ideal for fat loss or muscle gain?

Lastly... Is hyperplasia feasible with long term mk 677 use?

That doen't make any sense. The older you are, the less GH your body produces, so with either MK677 or real gh the older you are the more you'll respond.

 

[xxplosive]

That doen't make any sense. The older you are, the less GH your body produces, so with either MK677 or real gh the older you are the more you'll respond.

The theory behind it is the younger you are, the more hormone your body is producing, period, available or not. Younger men are producing more natural test and gh, hormones that decline with age, so there theoretically would be a bigger pool to to "free" up more hormone.

If I am factually incorrect and somebody knows, please correct me.

 

[Kins]

So based on what you told me, would it be accurate to say that the younger one is, the more effective mk677 may be vs gh?

The theory behind it is the younger you are, the more hormone your body is producing, period, available or not. Younger men are producing more natural test and gh, hormones that decline with age, so there theoretically would be a bigger pool to to "free" up more hormone.

If I am factually incorrect and somebody knows, please correct me.

That doen't make any sense. The older you are, the less GH your body produces, so with either MK677 or real gh the older you are the more you'll respond.

Read that in order, now do you see how you aren't making any sense?

 

[RamboStallone]

So based on what you told me, would it be accurate to say that the younger one is, the more effective mk677 may be vs gh?

Also i know its not a sarm or pep, but i saw it on your list and am thinking of using but just not really sure how to go about it-- Metformin.

Would this be ideal to use alongside mk in the same manner as gh/slin? What would be a safe/effective protocol to not fuck my insulin sensitivity?

And would it be more ideal for fat loss or muscle gain?

Lastly... Is hyperplasia feasible with long term mk 677 use?

Unless a person has an impaired pituitary or some type of disease causing it to be ineffective there is no reason to think one age group will benefit more then another in my opinion. When I say this I mean, for a person MK677 will release X amount of gh for that person regardless of age as long as the pituitary and hypothalamus are healthy.

As far as metformin the easiest way to use it is take a tab 1-2x a day post largest carb meals. Metformin increases slin sensitivity, lowers glucose levels in the liver, and blocks carb absorption in the small intestine. It is great for restoring slin sensitivity and dieting. Many combine it with gh and MK677 since gh increasing substances will have a negative effect on beta cells (they produce and release slin) in the pancreas which results in higher blood glucose levels. One reason why some guys combine gh with slin as well to bring down that rise in blood glucose. Metformin, fasting, cardio, low carb dieting are all great ways to restore slin sensitivity and reduce blood glucose levels.

 

[xxplosive]

Unless a person has an impaired pituitary or some type of disease causing it to be ineffective there is no reason to think one age group will benefit more then another in my opinion. When I say this I mean, for a person MK677 will release X amount of gh for that person regardless of age as long as the pituitary and hypothalamus are healthy.

As far as metformin the easiest way to use it is take a tab 1-2x a day post largest carb meals. Metformin increases slin sensitivity, lowers glucose levels in the liver, and blocks carb absorption in the small intestine. It is great for restoring slin sensitivity and dieting. Many combine it with gh and MK677 since gh increasing substances will have a negative effect on beta cells (they produce and release slin) in the pancreas which results in higher blood glucose levels. One reason why some guys combine gh with slin as well to bring down that rise in blood glucose. Metformin, fasting, cardio, low carb dieting are all great ways to restore slin sensitivity and reduce blood glucose levels.

How long can i take metformin before i need to come off so i don't fuck off my slin sensitivity permanently?

Is it ok to take 1 tab 4-5x a week with your huge meals indefinitely?

And does your mk677 come with measured droppers?

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

How long can i take metformin before i need to come off so i don't fuck off my slin sensitivity permanently?

Is it ok to take 1 tab 4-5x a week with your huge meals indefinitely?

And does your mk677 come with measured droppers?

A few have ran it for a year "straight" one tab with the heaviest carb meal of the day.

And , I don't know why you would think it would fuck up insulin sensitivity...??

*** It's meant to improve/ prevent insulin sensitivity.

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

How long can i take metformin before i need to come off so i don't fuck off my slin sensitivity permanently?

Is it ok to take 1 tab 4-5x a week with your huge meals indefinitely?

And does your mk677 come with measured droppers?

Regarding the mk-677 (one squeeze of the bulb gives me exactly 1/2 ml 12.5 mg

Halfway up the glass tube, but your "not" going to fill the whole tube with one squeeze of the bulbette

 

[RamboStallone]

How long can i take metformin before i need to come off so i don't fuck off my slin sensitivity permanently?

Is it ok to take 1 tab 4-5x a week with your huge meals indefinitely?

And does your mk677 come with measured droppers?

Brother, metformin fixes your slin sensitivity. You have to take it daily and continue with it for best results. There is no reason to come off of it if you still want the effects. People stay on. I personally use it for at least 2-3 months at a time when I want to restore slin sensitivity and maximize fat loss when dieting. Ive used it longer, its in my daily arsenal along with cialis, nolva, etc. I personally don't use it during bulks because it blocks carbs and lower bg and during a bulk I'm usually pounding slin and want every carb to get in lol.

For the MK677, use a slin pin or oral syringe. The alcohol in the mix will remove the marks on the dropper so I use unmarked plain ones. Have a fresh batch right now, stuff is strong.

 

[RamboStallone]

A few have ran it for a year "straight" one tab with the heaviest carb meal of the day.

And , I don't know why you would think it would fuck up insulin sensitivity...??

*** It's meant to improve/ prevent insulin sensitivity.

1 tab with heaviest meal is a good long term use to keep slin sensitivity and prevent resistance (diabetes). Its a good way to use it for the anti-aging as well. Lower bg and metformin have been shown to increase life span.

 

[RamboStallone]

Regarding the mk-677 (one squeeze of the bulb gives me exactly 1/2 ml 12.5 mg

Halfway up the glass tube, but your "not" going to fill the whole tube with one squeeze of the bulbette

The droppers are actually 1.5ml total when completely full. So if you are 2/3 way its around 1ml. But you are right, one squeeze draws up around 1/2ml, which is around a 1/3 of the full dropper (part of it is hidden under the cap).

 

[xxplosive]

1 tab with heaviest meal is a good long term use to keep slin sensitivity and prevent resistance (diabetes). Its a good way to use it for the anti-aging as well. Lower bg and metformin have been shown to increase life span.

Sorry if im retarded and can't piece it together on my own, but would mk677/t4/metformin be a pretty effective stack for fat loss?

Is 50-100mcg of t4 safe to take and will it help with lethargy from mk677?

 

[RamboStallone]

Sorry if im retarded and can't piece it together on my own, but would mk677/t4/metformin be a pretty effective stack for fat loss?

Is 50-100mcg of t4 safe to take and will it help with lethargy from mk677?

Not retarded at all brother, good questions. Here's the tricky part, misconception is HGH/MK677 causes lethargy by lowering thyroid but this is not entirely true. If anything higher HGH levels increase conversion of T4 to the active version T3. So using HGH products with T4 will accelerate fat loss. Now whether it will help lethargy, it may since higher metabolism will have stimulant type effect but no one should be using thyroid products as a stimulant. They are more safer stimulant options to use then messing with thyroid. If your after fat loss then for sure T4 will assist. Now MK677 is sort of a wet compound. Better suited for bulking in my opinion especially with the hunger increase. This is why I use other peptides like hexarelin or HGH for fat loss as they are better suited. With that said, there are guys who get ripped on MK677, those guys usually do not get the typical sides. So this will be unique. For me personally, for fat loss I would use HGH over MK677 because MK677 just makes me too damn hungry to able to diet. Now if you are able to handle MK677 well and it keeps you pumped and full while you are losing fat it's a win win and would be a very effective stack in achieving your goals.