People who love keto

[andyebs]

Now I have cut before and used keto and thought was ok bar looking flat always

But some people you just can't tell them there is another way and carbs seem to be the downright enemy
I mean I know people who swear by keto for bulking now I'm not saying can't be done but fuck why would you want to

Do we have any keto lovers on here

Most of these people have common thing they was on the chubby side as youngster
Not all

I just don't think carbs are bad or any food group for that matter

Got told I shouldn't be eating carbs with every meal as won't use it

What's thoughts on this




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[PUMPED]

Been a nutritionist for well over 10 years now, personally prefer nutritional ketosis as a lifestyle for longevity and health, if you look at a lot of the scientific literature on nutritional habits in the medical journals and studies the trend is shifting away from high fat diets being bad, the demonization of fats for the past 30+years and scientists/doctors who are current with the studies are showing the high carbohydrate diets, and the insulin/inflammation response throughout the body due to these high carbohydrate diets are responsible for the majority of the medical conditions that are plague in society today like diabetes, obesity,heart disease, etc....That being said I understand what you mean about looking flat on ketosis that is why I prefer to due carb refuel cheat days, makes a dramatic difference on your physical appearance while eating nutritional ketosis....I will admit I do alternate nutritional ketosis with a low carb paleo based diet when I need to change up the the diet.....As you said carbs are not bad, but everything in moderation....the problem is most people take in excessive carbs...carbs a fuel source...if you don't burn them they are stored as fat....of course when you introduce factors like anabolics, gh, slin, these can allow a much higher intake of carbs because of the efficiency in which they are utilized, but that is a whole different beast...To your other point, was not a fat kid growing up, was always 6'4-5 and lean...and through my career as a nutritionist I have tried many variations of dieting for myself, for a multitude of reasons I always come back to ketosis as having the best health benefits and easy to maintain the muscle mass while being lean because of the high calorie intake...Hope that helps brother, feel free to ask questions...

 

[Alan0160]

I have a sister in law who has recently jumped on the ketosis wagon. She has been taking powdered ketones in a packet two times a day for a few months while limiting her intake of carbs. She has dropped around 15-20lbs
so far and says she feels great. I haven't fully studied these things myself but I agree with the above post that not all fats are created equal and the same applies to protein and carbs.

 

[PUMPED]

I have a sister in law who has recently jumped on the ketosis wagon. She has been taking powdered ketones in a packet two times a day for a few months while limiting her intake of carbs. She has dropped around 15-20lbs
so far and says she feels great. I haven't fully studied these things myself but I agree with the above post that not all fats are created equal and the same applies to protein and carbs.

Glad to hear your sister in law is having success, the fat loss can be quite dramatic when on ketosis...

I can honestly say my most impressive transformation for one of my clients was through a nutritional ketosis diet I had put together for him and adjusted monthly as his goals progressed, he was 32 years old 6'4 452lbs when he started with me, 8 months later he was down to 270lbs, chiseled jaw line, great muscle tone, was a new man..changed his life...truly impressive transformation. That was also without any drugs....only a couple otc fat burners my nutrition store sold with a solid ketosis diet and true dedication to a change of lifestyle...

I know many years back Palumbo was putting the majority of his nutrition clients leading up to their bodybuilding shows on ketosis diets as well...I spoke with him in person about it and he was adamant at the time that it was the best way to cut for a show and preserve lean muscle mass because of the allowance for a high calorie intake because of the high fats..I honestly do not know if he is still pushing this for his clients...but I know he was for many years with success

 

[andyebs]

Like I said I got along well with keto my misses on the other hand hated it

And defo felt less hungry due to higher fats and kept peanut butter in for long while too

Wouldn't say I wouldn't diet like it again

Just don't think it's for everyone and some people who are coaches you can't say there is any other way
And as said as some people do t get on with it i.e. My partner then to train everyone you coach the same way is mind blowing


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[hwntime]

The leanest I've ever been was on Dan Duchaine's BodyOpus diet, a militant version of keto. It was brutal to endure but it got me absolutely shredded, and I was eating a 12oz of bacon and 6 whole eggs and 6 egg whites every day for breakfast.

 

[Kins]

I think this thread goes with the one linked below,

https://hardcore-underground.com/showthread.php/5332-Mauro-Di-Pasquale

 

[PUMPED]

In reality there is not one diet that is perfect for everyone...people have to find what works best for their goals, lifestyle and health...nutrional ketosis is a choice but certainly not the only choice...personally I find that the quality of the fats, proteins, and vegetables that you intake make a dramatic difference on how you feel during ketosis...the variation between one persons ketosis diet to another's can be quite dramatic in quality of the food in general and how your body will utilize what has been taken in....

Diets should be made specific to each persons goals, body type, health etc, for a coach, nutrionist, dietician, personal trainer, etc to try and put everyone on the same diet is absurd aand shows their lack of nutrional knowledge...

Like I said I got along well with keto my misses on the other hand hated it

And defo felt less hungry due to higher fats and kept peanut butter in for long while too

Wouldn't say I wouldn't diet like it again

Just don't think it's for everyone and some people who are coaches you can't say there is any other way
And as said as some people do t get on with it i.e. My partner then to train everyone you coach the same way is mind blowing


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[readyset]

Glad to hear your sister in law is having success, the fat loss can be quite dramatic when on ketosis...

I can honestly say my most impressive transformation for one of my clients was through a nutritional ketosis diet I had put together for him and adjusted monthly as his goals progressed, he was 32 years old 6'4 452lbs when he started with me, 8 months later he was down to 270lbs, chiseled jaw line, great muscle tone, was a new man..changed his life...truly impressive transformation. That was also without any drugs....only a couple otc fat burners my nutrition store sold with a solid ketosis diet and true dedication to a change of lifestyle...

I know many years back Palumbo was putting the majority of his nutrition clients leading up to their bodybuilding shows on ketosis diets as well...I spoke with him in person about it and he was adamant at the time that it was the best way to cut for a show and preserve lean muscle mass because of the allowance for a high calorie intake because of the high fats..I honestly do not know if he is still pushing this for his clients...but I know he was for many years with success

I had great success on his diet, tweaking here and there to suit me. I still advocate it as a starting point when people seem frustrated with their current eating style. But now there's tons more out there to assist with keto -bullet coffee and such

Pumped, let me ask you, could you write your thoughts on paleo somewhere? I don't want to hijack the thread but I'd like to see what you think


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[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

Glad to hear your sister in law is having success, the fat loss can be quite dramatic when on ketosis...

I can honestly say my most impressive transformation for one of my clients was through a nutritional ketosis diet I had put together for him and adjusted monthly as his goals progressed, he was 32 years old 6'4 452lbs when he started with me, 8 months later he was down to 270lbs, chiseled jaw line, great muscle tone, was a new man..changed his life...truly impressive transformation. That was also without any drugs....only a couple otc fat burners my nutrition store sold with a solid ketosis diet and true dedication to a change of lifestyle...

I know many years back Palumbo was putting the majority of his nutrition clients leading up to their bodybuilding shows on ketosis diets as well...I spoke with him in person about it and he was adamant at the time that it was the best way to cut for a show and preserve lean muscle mass because of the allowance for a high calorie intake because of the high fats..I honestly do not know if he is still pushing this for his clients...but I know he was for many years with success

Hey brother Pumped, much respect to you & what you post up/ have to offer here to the community. I thoroughly like your writing's, and dietary experience.

While at it, because you mentioned the inflammatory effects of insulin spiking, & the foods that cause it, if course a if us being different, metabo, everything.

I was wondering what your thoughts are in the inflammatory effect's of an acid diet, or one who's system is in an acidic states vs a Better, or alkylin one..?
Your thoughts..?

And at your convenience, I know time is of the essence, and I spend sometime's too much time on here myself, but am having a 'Blast' interacting with everyone .

Back in the "Game" now, some 17-18 months, and have put back on well over 50 quality lbs since, and going for another 25 or so this bulking season.

Respect..!

~ MCMM

 

[Kins]

Like I said I got along well with keto my misses on the other hand hated it

And defo felt less hungry due to higher fats and kept peanut butter in for long while too

Wouldn't say I wouldn't diet like it again

Just don't think it's for everyone and some people who are coaches you can't say there is any other way
And as said as some people do t get on with it i.e. My partner then to train everyone you coach the same way is mind blowing


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Hey click on the link I put in my other post. In that thread there is a link to a SuperHuman Radio show with Dr. Mauro Di.Pasquale as the guest. He is the inventor of the "phase shift" type diet. You might call it carb cycling. He is real down to earth type of guy though. You'd be surprised. When I first went on his diet I had some questions, and he actually took the time out his day to call me personally and help me out. This was all free of charge.

 

[PUMPED]

I had great success on his diet, tweaking here and there to suit me. I still advocate it as a starting point when people seem frustrated with their current eating style. But now there's tons more out there to assist with keto -bullet coffee and such

Pumped, let me ask you, could you write your thoughts on paleo somewhere? I don't want to hijack the thread but I'd like to see what you think


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Hey Readyset, no worries about high jacking the thread, let the threads here go where they may, it's a learning experience for all of us..
It is a coincidence you asked about Paleo dieting as I just switched my first two meals ( my pre and post-workout meals) to modified paleo meals this week, followed by my last three to four meals still being nutritional ketosis based...after strict ketosis for 9 plus months, this is a good change for my body. I believe you really have to been in tune to what your body needs, it will tell you if you know what to look for. A truly amazing example of this that I tell my clients, is pregnant women, when they are deficient in a nutrient that is vital for the babies growth and proper formation they will get a real craving for the what is needed, a deficiency in calcium can cause the woman to crave milk, a deficiency in there iron they will crave steak/meats.. Now this is for true pregnancy cravings, that would happen in the wild, not the excessive pregnancy cravings that are widely accepted today where kids are born with diabetes and already obese...


Now to the Paleo diet...I think the Paleo diet itself is a good dietary lifestyle choice for bodybuilders, fitness minded people, and for overall health in general if they want to keep their carbohydrates within a healthier range, but do not want to go as low as nutrional ketosis. The Paleo diet keeps your carbohydrate intake moderately low when following the ratios as your suppose to, the majority of people's daily carbohydrate intake is far to high this will surely help stabilize blood glucose levels. The other part of the diet that makes its special is its focus on real whole foods instead of all the processed fake foods the majority of society eats. The diet being based solely on lean grass fed meats, vegetables and fruits, and healthy fats gives your body the true essential nutrients it needs without the refined foods, excess sugar, and inflammatory fats that plague our modern day diet. The Paleo diet is also anti-inflammatory which the recent science/medical literature is showing is a major factor in degenerative diseases like heart disease, cancer, obesity, etc.


I do believe the Paleo diet gives us as bodybuilders a chance to do clean bulk, in a healthier way, that won't negatively effect your cholesterol/lipid profile, keep inflammation down systemically, and help stabilize blood sugars which is typically the exact opposite of what happens when we bulk up on a normal diet with heavy processed fats, inflammatory fats, and excessive carbs.


Even so...To me all diets need to be modified to fit the individuals needs, goals, and health concerns, this includes the Paleo diet...


Readyset, let me know if there is anything in particular you want me to touch upon in regards to the Paleo diet that I may have missed....

 

[PUMPED]

Hey brother Pumped, much respect to you & what you post up/ have to offer here to the community. I thoroughly like your writing's, and dietary experience.

While at it, because you mentioned the inflammatory effects of insulin spiking, & the foods that cause it, if course a if us being different, metabo, everything.

I was wondering what your thoughts are in the inflammatory effect's of an acid diet, or one who's system is in an acidic states vs a Better, or alkylin one..?
Your thoughts..?

And at your convenience, I know time is of the essence, and I spend sometime's too much time on here myself, but am having a 'Blast' interacting with everyone .

Back in the "Game" now, some 17-18 months, and have put back on well over 50 quality lbs since, and going for another 25 or so this bulking season.

Respect..!

~ MCMM

Hey MCMM, I appreciate the kind words, I am more than impressed with this board and most of the members, feel like contributing some of my knowledge with what time I can spare.

I must say 50lbs of quality muscle in 17-18 months is quite impressive, keep up the good work..if you want to post up your current diet when you hit a plateau, I will be happy to review it and see if we can modify and tweak it to keep you maximizing your gains..

I will try to post up writing in regards to the alkaline vs acidic and inflammatory effects, I spent more time then I planned typing a reply to Readyset.....But I will do my best to get something up on it tomorow brother..

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

Hey MCMM, I appreciate the kind words, I am more than impressed with this board and most of the members, feel like contributing some of my knowledge with what time I can spare.

I must say 50lbs of quality muscle in 17-18 months is quite impressive, keep up the good work..if you want to post up your current diet when you hit a plateau, I will be happy to review it and see if we can modify and tweak it to keep you maximizing your gains..

I will try to post up writing in regards to the alkaline vs acidic and inflammatory effects, I spent more time then I planned typing a reply to Readyset.....But I will do my best to get something up on it tomorow brother..

Thank you Pumped, and I might add, that this was "regained " I fell out of training, (and of course GearZ for
a good 5 & 1/2 years altogether..)

Between Thanksgiving n X~mas of 2015 I weighed, fell
down to 148, and I'm 6' 1 & 1/2 " << - Ouch, life had gotten in the way, depression too much work, and "Maybe", just maybe too much Craft Beer during that timeframe. Had been telling a bud, and co-worker who got his Pro card about 5 years back { Middle wgt } , and I more or less lived it Vicariously thru his efforts. And had been telling him every so often "got to get back at it " , for too long.

And so when I realized the weight was under 150, I said Fuck this, got back at it slowly, and boy was I weak to start.

Trained for a few months, and in Feb 2015 started back
on Gear. & GH just about 8 months or so now.

Now, I used to weigh 240+ , and qualified to do National
Level shows in 2007, @ 42, at 202 lb, and did
"nothing " with it.. jerkit:

So, fast forward, here I am attempting to get back to I
suppose 225- 235 would be nice, but still need to step up my game a bit. I could do more with Legs, and probably "Blossom ".

So, this year, this bulking Season is mine..! I was going To do one of two, maybe both Classic Physique shows this past May, June but too much happening, and just decided to change gears, (and GearZ) and Mass up more. I'll see what the NPC has to offer this coming spring instead. For now, having fun with it, and trying to refine my training "and" diet as an older fella.

Whenever works for you BTW, no rush we only have so much time in the day, and I've got a pretty decent handle on most aspects, I know what to do, it's sorta like riding a bike for me, in terms of getting sliced n diced, thatd no problem. Getting serious mass on at this age, well...?

All I can Do, is my best with what I've got.

Thanks in advance, and thanks for replying.

Much Respect..! ~ MCMM

So

 

[PUMPED]

Thank you Pumped, and I might add, that this was "regained " I fell out of training, (and of course GearZ for
a good 5 & 1/2 years altogether..)

Between Thanksgiving n X~mas of 2015 I weighed, fell
down to 148, and I'm 6' 1 & 1/2 " << - Ouch, life had gotten in the way, depression too much work, and "Maybe", just maybe too much Craft Beer during that timeframe. Had been telling a bud, and co-worker who got his Pro card about 5 years back { Middle wgt } , and I more or less lived it Vicariously thru his efforts. And had been telling him every so often "got to get back at it " , for too long.

And so when I realized the weight was under 150, I said Fuck this, got back at it slowly, and boy was I weak to start.

Trained for a few months, and in Feb 2015 started back
on Gear. & GH just about 8 months or so now.

Now, I used to weigh 240+ , and qualified to do National
Level shows in 2007, @ 42, at 202 lb, and did
"nothing " with it.. jerkit:

So, fast forward, here I am attempting to get back to I
suppose 225- 235 would be nice, but still need to step up my game a bit. I could do more with Legs, and probably "Blossom ".

So, this year, this bulking Season is mine..! I was going To do one of two, maybe both Classic Physique shows this past May, June but too much happening, and just decided to change gears, (and GearZ) and Mass up more. I'll see what the NPC has to offer this coming spring instead. For now, having fun with it, and trying to refine my training "and" diet as an older fella.

Whenever works for you BTW, no rush we only have so much time in the day, and I've got a pretty decent handle on most aspects, I know what to do, it's sorta like riding a bike for me, in terms of getting sliced n diced, thatd no problem. Getting serious mass on at this age, well...?

All I can Do, is my best with what I've got.

Thanks in advance, and thanks for replying.

Much Respect..! ~ MCMM

So

Hey MCMM, I had assumed some of that muscle gain was regained muscle, none the less still a very impressive feat to accomplish in that time frame, you obviously have some good genetics. Glad to hear you getting back into peak shape brother.
I can see you have a pretty decent handle on your diet and training, as you qualifying for the national level bodybuilding show proves. That is something that most guys on the boards just dream about doing, you actually earned that with your hard work and dedication, again impressive.
At least your goals are reasonable and attainable for you, no unrealistic expectations that I can see....it will all just be about adjusting and optimizing the diet and sleep(recovery) with your gear/gh, but you know this my friend.
I thinks the big thing as we all get older and hit those milestones, over 30, over 40, etc....is realizing that our diets and calorie intakes will typically need to be adjusted accordingly.


Lets get into my thoughts on the alkaline/acidity dieting....so back 8 years or so when the alkaline diet came on the scene hard promoted by the multi level marketing companies selling their overpriced alkaline water, I bought several books based on the benefits of Alkaline diet. During that time I knew I would have clients coming to ask me if they should switch to the new alkaline diet and I needed to form a valid opinion based on scientific fact for their nutritional goals and needs. The conclusions I came to after much reading and searching Pubmed studies is that there is no harm in the Alkaline diet, but the majority of the claims I saw were great theories and ideas but I did not see much of it transcend into true scientific data. All the data I have read shows that you can change you urinary PH but there has been no true data supporting the claim that you can dramatically change your blood PH like the promoters of the alkaline diet claim.


The diet however has its benefits because of its emphasis on eating fresh fruits and fresh vegetables, raw of course, if I remember correctly cooking some of vegetables can turn a alkaline vegetable into acidic in the body, so the alkaline diet promotes raw vegetables and fruits.
One of the main problems I see with the alkaline diet for our fitness/bodybuilding lifestyle is that the alkaline diet wants you to minimize/avoid meats like chicken, beef, and turkey along with many of the bodybuilders staples like fish because of the high acid effect. Even whole eggs have a higher acid effect when following the alkaline diets parameters. Because of this I would find it very hard to believe that with the amount of protein we as bodybuilders eat, that you would be able to make a dramatic difference in the PH levels of your blood, even if offsetting all that protein with massive amounts of raw vegetables and fruits ( the data has shown even when following the alkaline diet with low protein intake their is negligent blood ph change). It just does not seem like a viable diet for our lifestyle and goals.
Will some people see great benefit from the alkaline diet if switching from a typical modern heavily processed, high carbohydrate diet that the average American eats, yes of course. For those people that were eating the typical normal unhealthy diet, they will indeed see a reduction in health issues like diabetes,cholesterol, etc when switching to a healthy alkaline based diet. But for the fitness and bodybuilder athletes, we have much better dietary choices out there, with greater health benefits proven with scientific data, that will allow us to achieve our goals, and not hinder gains.
I am sure there are some members on here who swear by the alkaline diet, and more power to them, I am glad the diet is working for them, I just honestly feel like their are better diets for the majority of guys on this board to follow if they are looking for health benefits combined with results...


With proper whole food choices, getting away from processed food and consuming adequate greens/vegetables all three diets nutritional ketosis diet, Paleo diet and alkaline diet will have an anti-inflammatory response in the body. If poor food choices are made during those diets any of them could produce an inflammatory response. Another good idea is to get a food inflammation blood test, it will test to see what food intolerances you may have that are causing an inflammatory response throughout the body so you can remove them from your daily diet.

 

[readyset]

Hey Readyset, no worries about high jacking the thread, let the threads here go where they may, it's a learning experience for all of us..
It is a coincidence you asked about Paleo dieting as I just switched my first two meals ( my pre and post-workout meals) to modified paleo meals this week, followed by my last three to four meals still being nutritional ketosis based...after strict ketosis for 9 plus months, this is a good change for my body. I believe you really have to been in tune to what your body needs, it will tell you if you know what to look for. A truly amazing example of this that I tell my clients, is pregnant women, when they are deficient in a nutrient that is vital for the babies growth and proper formation they will get a real craving for the what is needed, a deficiency in calcium can cause the woman to crave milk, a deficiency in there iron they will crave steak/meats.. Now this is for true pregnancy cravings, that would happen in the wild, not the excessive pregnancy cravings that are widely accepted today where kids are born with diabetes and already obese...


Now to the Paleo diet...I think the Paleo diet itself is a good dietary lifestyle choice for bodybuilders, fitness minded people, and for overall health in general if they want to keep their carbohydrates within a healthier range, but do not want to go as low as nutrional ketosis. The Paleo diet keeps your carbohydrate intake moderately low when following the ratios as your suppose to, the majority of people's daily carbohydrate intake is far to high this will surely help stabilize blood glucose levels. The other part of the diet that makes its special is its focus on real whole foods instead of all the processed fake foods the majority of society eats. The diet being based solely on lean grass fed meats, vegetables and fruits, and healthy fats gives your body the true essential nutrients it needs without the refined foods, excess sugar, and inflammatory fats that plague our modern day diet. The Paleo diet is also anti-inflammatory which the recent science/medical literature is showing is a major factor in degenerative diseases like heart disease, cancer, obesity, etc.


I do believe the Paleo diet gives us as bodybuilders a chance to do clean bulk, in a healthier way, that won't negatively effect your cholesterol/lipid profile, keep inflammation down systemically, and help stabilize blood sugars which is typically the exact opposite of what happens when we bulk up on a normal diet with heavy processed fats, inflammatory fats, and excessive carbs.


Even so...To me all diets need to be modified to fit the individuals needs, goals, and health concerns, this includes the Paleo diet...


Readyset, let me know if there is anything in particular you want me to touch upon in regards to the Paleo diet that I may have missed....

No I was just curious for your input. Much appreciated!


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[Janoy]

Been a nutritionist for well over 10 years now, personally prefer nutritional ketosis as a lifestyle for longevity and health, if you look at a lot of the scientific literature on nutritional habits in the medical journals and studies the trend is shifting away from high fat diets being bad, the demonization of fats for the past 30+years and scientists/doctors who are current with the studies are showing the high carbohydrate diets, and the insulin/inflammation response throughout the body due to these high carbohydrate diets are responsible for the majority of the medical conditions that are plague in society today like diabetes, obesity,heart disease, etc....That being said I understand what you mean about looking flat on ketosis that is why I prefer to due carb refuel cheat days, makes a dramatic difference on your physical appearance while eating nutritional ketosis....I will admit I do alternate nutritional ketosis with a low carb paleo based diet when I need to change up the the diet.....As you said carbs are not bad, but everything in moderation....the problem is most people take in excessive carbs...carbs a fuel source...if you don't burn them they are stored as fat....of course when you introduce factors like anabolics, gh, slin, these can allow a much higher intake of carbs because of the efficiency in which they are utilized, but that is a whole different beast...To your other point, was not a fat kid growing up, was always 6'4-5 and lean...and through my career as a nutritionist I have tried many variations of dieting for myself, for a multitude of reasons I always come back to ketosis as having the best health benefits and easy to maintain the muscle mass while being lean because of the high calorie intake...Hope that helps brother, feel free to ask questions...

Ummm... except for the concensus that high ldl is the DIRECT cause of atherosclerosis? Yeah. It's been proven

 

[PUMPED]

Ummm... except for the concensus that high ldl is the DIRECT cause of atherosclerosis? Yeah. It's been proven

You should enjoy the reading below...should be educational brother


"Hyperinsulinemia/Insulin Resistance Causes Heart Disease, in summary, insulin resistance and/or hyperinsulinemia promote fatty liver — a combination that in turn drives high blood insulin and associated mechanistic pathways that shuttle lipids (fats) into your vascular walls, which is a hallmark of atherosclerosis. It also leads to high blood glucose, particularly post-prandial blood glucose, and this too has mechanistic pathways that promote atherosclerosis.
High blood pressure is another side effect of insulin resistance that drives atherosclerosis by placing stress on your arteries. As noted by Cummins Ph.D., most idiopathic hypertension (high blood pressure with no known cause) is now thought to be caused by hyperinsulinemia.
Hyperinsulinemia/insulin resistance promotes inflammation, causing your visceral fat to release inflammatory cytokines and systemic signaling molecules. Over time, your visceral fat becomes increasingly resistant as well, causing the systemic signaling to falter. Taken as a whole, this cascade of events drives atherogenic dyslipidemia, characterized by the now familiar culprits: high LDL, oxidized LDL and triglycerides, and low HDL.
According to Cummins, while high LDL is a very erratic marker for heart disease risk, an elevated LDL "particle count" is actually a very good marker for insulin resistance. Thus the LDL metrics should be more thought of asindicative of inflammatory issues, and not as the LDL itself being the problem!"
-Dr. Mercola

 

[Janoy]

You should enjoy the reading below...should be educational brother


"Hyperinsulinemia/Insulin Resistance Causes Heart Disease, in summary, insulin resistance and/or hyperinsulinemia promote fatty liver — a combination that in turn drives high blood insulin and associated mechanistic pathways that shuttle lipids (fats) into your vascular walls, which is a hallmark of atherosclerosis. It also leads to high blood glucose, particularly post-prandial blood glucose, and this too has mechanistic pathways that promote atherosclerosis.
High blood pressure is another side effect of insulin resistance that drives atherosclerosis by placing stress on your arteries. As noted by Cummins Ph.D., most idiopathic hypertension (high blood pressure with no known cause) is now thought to be caused by hyperinsulinemia.
Hyperinsulinemia/insulin resistance promotes inflammation, causing your visceral fat to release inflammatory cytokines and systemic signaling molecules. Over time, your visceral fat becomes increasingly resistant as well, causing the systemic signaling to falter. Taken as a whole, this cascade of events drives atherogenic dyslipidemia, characterized by the now familiar culprits: high LDL, oxidized LDL and triglycerides, and low HDL.
According to Cummins, while high LDL is a very erratic marker for heart disease risk, an elevated LDL "particle count" is actually a very good marker for insulin resistance. Thus the LDL metrics should be more thought of asindicative of inflammatory issues, and not as the LDL itself being the problem!"
-Dr. Mercola

that is interesting. I still believe having a high ldl is going to be detrimental regardless of particle size. Some worse than others but all the same. What I will say is that eating tons of fructose and being borderline or diabetic will cause arterial inflammation which will almost "catch" the ldl on the walls and make it exponentially worse. Sorry if I just repeated what he link says. I'm 45 mins deep in cardio.

 

[kaptainkrunk34]

Been a nutritionist for well over 10 years now, personally prefer nutritional ketosis as a lifestyle for longevity and health, if you look at a lot of the scientific literature on nutritional habits in the medical journals and studies the trend is shifting away from high fat diets being bad, the demonization of fats for the past 30+years and scientists/doctors who are current with the studies are showing the high carbohydrate diets, and the insulin/inflammation response throughout the body due to these high carbohydrate diets are responsible for the majority of the medical conditions that are plague in society today like diabetes, obesity,heart disease, etc....That being said I understand what you mean about looking flat on ketosis that is why I prefer to due carb refuel cheat days, makes a dramatic difference on your physical appearance while eating nutritional ketosis....I will admit I do alternate nutritional ketosis with a low carb paleo based diet when I need to change up the the diet.....As you said carbs are not bad, but everything in moderation....the problem is most people take in excessive carbs...carbs a fuel source...if you don't burn them they are stored as fat....of course when you introduce factors like anabolics, gh, slin, these can allow a much higher intake of carbs because of the efficiency in which they are utilized, but that is a whole different beast...To your other point, was not a fat kid growing up, was always 6'4-5 and lean...and through my career as a nutritionist I have tried many variations of dieting for myself, for a multitude of reasons I always come back to ketosis as having the best health benefits and easy to maintain the muscle mass while being lean because of the high calorie intake...Hope that helps brother, feel free to ask questions...

Well written. I am curious if you have suggestions on a source for reading further into Keto. I have a gym buddy (chubby) who fully embraced Keto, and he got lean as hell, while able to pack on a good 11-13 lbs of lean mass, over the coarse of a year.
Unlike me very thin hard gainer, I need to change up my diet to spark some new clean gains off cycle, and just be healthier in general.
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