Orals are way worse then I previously thought...

[Aztec Supplements]

be careful

 

[Seth(The Spartan)]

So I have been taking labs religiously for the last 5-6 years and even when I am off and my liver is dealing with just the havoc of training and the food I push through the liver the numbers have been high double the "norm" off cycle and total straight edge just food and training. I agree with you that orals strain your liver and as with any drug can be abused. But they have their place in a cycle, My liver regiment is Tudca 2 500 mg daily, nac 2000 mg daily synthergine 5 ml daily and injectable glutathione and my enzymes have never been better

Each compound has their place of course, I just don't see the point of even having the liver go through extra stress when you could just inject any oral compound... And kins I was using livercare by himalaya, GREAT stuff. blend of different herbs. And I did hear hard training can elevate liver values also, due to having to filter out the muscle breakdown byproducts I'm assuming?

 

[Seth(The Spartan)]

Just because you avoid first pass doesn't mean it's not going to go through the liver and doesn't mean it's not toxic. Again, how much TUDCA or UDCA did you use on your oral cycle?. IM glutathione can help also but with AST and ALT levels. So with TUDCA or UDCA and IM glutathione run throughout your cycle and at least a month beyond it you should be good. Just don't go nuts on the dosages of oral AAS.

And yeah I understand that it's still toxic, but your removing 60% of the strain by just injecting ANY C-17 oral, just by removing first pass. Like I said I'm just gonna shoot everything from now on... Never have been a fan of orals, also gave me indigestion.. My body probably doesn't handle them as well as some of you either.

 

[Kins]

Each compound has their place of course, I just don't see the point of even having the liver go through extra stress when you could just inject any oral compound... And kins I was using livercare by himalaya, GREAT stuff. blend of different herbs. And I did hear hard training can elevate liver values also, due to having to filter out the muscle breakdown byproducts I'm assuming?

Livercare by himalaya is a joke...Tudca/UDCA is proven effective in the treatment of cholostasis. If it was "Great stuff" your liver values wouldn't be so high. You just proved it.

 

[Phinneas]

"My body probably doesn't handle them as well as some of you either."

I think that's a very key point, it definitely sounds like whatever you were on didn't agree with your liver. I (stupidly) used 10 weeks of Winstrol on my last cycle and didn't do anything for liver care other than milk thistle and ubiquinol (which I didn't start until week 5) and to make it even worse, I discontinued use when I stopped taking Winny. Had my blood work done about 5 weeks after my last pin, and my AST was only 48, and my ALT only 50.

If I'd done PROPER care, I might not have even had elevated levels.

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[simplecanibus]

So I have been taking labs religiously for the last 5-6 years and even when I am off and my liver is dealing with just the havoc of training and the food I push through the liver the numbers have been high double the "norm" off cycle and total straight edge just food and training. I agree with you that orals strain your liver and as with any drug can be abused. But they have their place in a cycle, My liver regiment is Tudca 2 500 mg daily, nac 2000 mg daily synthergine 5 ml daily and injectable glutathione and my enzymes have never been better

Been wanting to try synthergine for a while now. How long were you on it before you saw positive effects on your liver values?


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[yatyas314]

Been wanting to try synthergine for a while now. How long were you on it before you saw positive effects on your liver values?


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12 hours man thats the soonest I saw effects I was preparing for blood tests and took 3cc with a litre of water and went to sleep fasted for 12 hours and had great results