Npp vs Decca

[Roc]

When I found npp, I shit canned deca.

 

[SoonerClint72]

When running npp, what is the most I can stretch out injections? I don't mind eod pins, but if I can put one more day in between pins I think I would go that way.

Sooner

 

[hwntime]

When running npp, what is the most I can stretch out injections? I don't mind eod pins, but if I can put one more day in between pins I think I would go that way.

Sooner

I've always done EOD but if you need a break, maybe a M/W/F dosing schedule will work. It gives you the weekend off from pinning.

 

[01dragonslayer]

I always run it EOD as well.

 

[Drocks]

Agreed, I will be doing M/W/F/Su pins.

 

[SoonerClint72]

Just looked at the half-life...2 1/2 days. I should be good with m/thur/sun...

 

[kaarona]

anyone ever done NPP and Deca at 200mg/week each? Do you get the joint lubricating healing from the Deca and the leaner mass of the NPP?? Best of both worlds? This would be alongside 400mg Test E

 

[El Hereje]

TBH i get the same basic effect and sides with either. Nandrolone is truly one of my all time favorites. NPP is certainly more popular these days but for strictly joint relief I do prefer Deca. Once a week @100 to 200 mgs does me right.

 

[muscle1031]

Deca will not make you bloat. Having a poor diet will make you bloat.

I've ran it a few time. The last time I ran
Test 1-20 @200
Npp 1-4 @400ish mg
Deca 1-12 @400 mg
Npp 12-16 @400ish mg
Then when I finished I bumped my test up to 300 from 200 and kept most if not all my strength.

I ran it this way because it takes quite some time for the esters to clear and I feel like with deca the longer you run the more prone you are to prolactin build up which causes deca dick (if you dont keep your estrogen in check)

Sadly my diet was not the best. I did get benefits but not what I had hoped.


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[Serpico]

This is one question that I get asked all the time. Which is better for strength and bulk, to which I always answer, depends what you expect and what your willing to gain and or sacrifice.
Personally I am a huge fan of NPP as it provides so many of the perks of Decca without the bloat.
What about you guys? Any thoughts?

NPP....no question...I run it nearly every cycle ...I have even stacked it with MENT ...
Serpico

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[GarlicChicken]

anyone ever done NPP and Deca at 200mg/week each? Do you get the joint lubricating healing from the Deca and the leaner mass of the NPP?? Best of both worlds? This would be alongside 400mg Test E

I get the same joint and tendon healing from NPP, it's the nandrolone that does it, not the ester.

I personally prefer just running NPP

 

[xxplosive]

Deca will not make you bloat. Having a poor diet will make you bloat.

I've ran it a few time. The last time I ran
Test 1-20 @200
Npp 1-4 @400ish mg
Deca 1-12 @400 mg
Npp 12-16 @400ish mg
Then when I finished I bumped my test up to 300 from 200 and kept most if not all my strength.

I ran it this way because it takes quite some time for the esters to clear and I feel like with deca the longer you run the more prone you are to prolactin build up which causes deca dick (if you dont keep your estrogen in check)

Sadly my diet was not the best. I did get benefits but not what I had hoped.


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No, some compounds will def make you bloat. Not to be rude, but you shouldnt give generalized advice based on individual physiological reactions.

When I run nandrolone alone vs nandrolone + winstrol, the look is night and day different.

This has NOTHING to do with diet and everything to do with nandrolone increasing progesterone and winstrol having an anti estrogenic affect.

Does diet play a role and sodium intake mess with fluid retention? Yes, to a degree, but nobody should have to basically refrain from salt and any kinda sat fat and be relegated to a contest prep diet just to not balloon up. And even then, its usually not enough- which is why you dont hear of guys stepping up on stage with loads of nandrolone/test freshly injected.

 

[ketsugo]

With all due respect doesn't winny have a tendency to dry out joints essentially negating the lubricating effect from the deca?

Did you not understand the whole point of why pro bodybuilding has made one of most successful stacks in history . This is WHY educated experienced smart people who live this NOT go by erroneous moronic bro science . Deca not Npp lubricates joints but for some increase water Under skin and yes winny can dry which make both compounds stacked work together the decs prevents drying joints winny prevenents water puffy look . People stack like idiots because they don’t get the meaning of the word. Milk and cereals like deca and winny you just don’t do winny without deca . No I’m my decades of 20 plus Npp absolutely does not work strong like deca nor dies the most moronic notion that EQ replaces deca no ducking way . You stack compound that help each other in this case each cancels the other compounds draw backs

 

[muscle1031]

Did you not understand the whole point of why pro bodybuilding has made one of most successful stacks in history . This is WHY educated experienced smart people who live this NOT go by erroneous moronic bro science . Deca not Npp lubricates joints but for some increase water Under skin and yes winny can dry which make both compounds stacked work together the decs prevents drying joints winny prevenents water puffy look . People stack like idiots because they don’t get the meaning of the word. Milk and cereals like deca and winny you just don’t do winny without deca . No I’m my decades of 20 plus Npp absolutely does not work strong like deca nor dies the most moronic notion that EQ replaces deca no ducking way . You stack compound that help each other in this case each cancels the other compounds draw backs

Man I love me some 600mg deca/600-1k eq on trt. I dont fluff up either. Well I guess I just named my next cycle

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[ketsugo]

no way bro. Ran some winny last summer with test and my joints hurt within days and continued 8 weeks after coming off. Ran more in January with low dose Decca and hardly felt anything.

Bump I rest my case that’s how it’s done since the 70s deca winny stack of anyone done real research not the wanna be bros on forum world it’s considered the most long time dependable stack again they have symbiotic relation ship does no one ever do real research of is listening to some novice pretending to know his stuff the only place people look? Just while I’m rolling I hate and despise the notion of broscience it should be labeled bro / ignorance. All the greats at one time stacked winny deca ( and test ) as major stack and still unrivaled but the bro hype confuses everyone. Is that clear everyone / decs lubricates joints with fluid and winny dries so together build the perfect beast . You guys bloat on dbol anadrol dry from winny take deca too . There’s no sane reason to be smooth walking around bloated fix your diet take winny with deca . Over years honestly I help but still sick of hearing oh decs bloats or winny injure when you guys don’t even consider diet training . Most actually bloat injure st first because they don’t get certain carbs sodium will bloat the he’ll out of you . Last year member swore up and down decs bloats but low behold he was a potato chip addict taking in 3000 plus sodium. Day Therin why bloat deca aggravated. When we make fast progress in strength and power it’s many times our muscle growing too fast for tendons ligaments to catch up hence severe injury can result . Again steroids don’t burn fat they don’t build muscle they don’t cause injury . YOU do learn you to lift and eat . Form a foundation for your muscles to build upon before taking drugs . This is basic bodybuilding 101 how some without 5 years never learn because They began using drugs before they learned anything. Most forums you only learn bad habits . You need to listen to the long time vets and moderators . Not the 200 posts by ignorant people reading from book . We have lived it . 40 years I have lived it . Anabolic 2009 I spit on trash sorry dan duchain idiot arm chair B.B. . Please don’t get me going on mountain dog training . Rotation variation periodization how natural circadian rhythms of every human being operate . Variety change is how you change . Never stick with same anything more then two months , switch then go back to it later . If you can’t understand then god help ya ! I have a mass prayer said in your honer. Operative word low dose deca you’ve pretty much posted how minimal your experience or understanding forgive my tone but every quote it’s like am thinking either people can’t read or no hablo ingles . If you one time cycles winny with measly 200 dec obviously you have not done your reasesrch or pretty much outlined. No experience. 20 years living thins just goes up my ass why I have to break from boards times . But I do love you all lol

 

[muscle1031]

Deca promotes collagen synthesis which reduces wear on the joints.*Correct me if I'm wrong and I am wrong a lot but I have not read a single "study" that proves it increases synovial fluid....

Thoughts?

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[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

Deca promotes collagen synthesis which reduces wear on the joints.*Correct me if I'm wrong and I am wrong a lot but I have not read a single "study" that proves it increases synovial fluid....

Thoughts?

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So does VAR, and Primo too..

 

[Argon Coagulator]

Bump I rest my case that’s how it’s done since the 70s deca winny stack of anyone done real research not the wanna be bros on forum world it’s considered the most long time dependable stack again they have symbiotic relation ship does no one ever do real research of is listening to some novice pretending to know his stuff the only place people look? Just while I’m rolling I hate and despise the notion of broscience it should be labeled bro / ignorance. All the greats at one time stacked winny deca ( and test ) as major stack and still unrivaled but the bro hype confuses everyone. Is that clear everyone / decs lubricates joints with fluid and winny dries so together build the perfect beast . You guys bloat on dbol anadrol dry from winny take deca too . There’s no sane reason to be smooth walking around bloated fix your diet take winny with deca . Over years honestly I help but still sick of hearing oh decs bloats or winny injure when you guys don’t even consider diet training . Most actually bloat injure st first because they don’t get certain carbs sodium will bloat the he’ll out of you . Last year member swore up and down decs bloats but low behold he was a potato chip addict taking in 3000 plus sodium. Day Therin why bloat deca aggravated. When we make fast progress in strength and power it’s many times our muscle growing too fast for tendons ligaments to catch up hence severe injury can result . Again steroids don’t burn fat they don’t build muscle they don’t cause injury . YOU do learn you to lift and eat . Form a foundation for your muscles to build upon before taking drugs . This is basic bodybuilding 101 how some without 5 years never learn because They began using drugs before they learned anything. Most forums you only learn bad habits . You need to listen to the long time vets and moderators . Not the 200 posts by ignorant people reading from book . We have lived it . 40 years I have lived it . Anabolic 2009 I spit on trash sorry dan duchain idiot arm chair B.B. . Please don’t get me going on mountain dog training . Rotation variation periodization how natural circadian rhythms of every human being operate . Variety change is how you change . Never stick with same anything more then two months , switch then go back to it later . If you can’t understand then god help ya ! I have a mass prayer said in your honer

Deca, Dbol etc increase mineral retention, including sodium, so on your normal diet you will hold more water on deca/dbol than if you are just on TRT or natty. True, if you clean up your diet, this effect won't be noticeable, but these compounds do still promote "bloating".

 

[ketsugo]

Deca, Dbol etc increase mineral retention, including sodium, so on your normal diet you will hold more water on deca/dbol than if you are just on TRT or natty. True, if you clean up your diet, this effect won't be noticeable, but these compounds do still promote "bloating".

Yes that is my point again winny debloats again why you stack

 

[CompoundLifts31]

They can't fight. They're on the same team. LoL.

This is one question that I get asked all the time. Which is better for strength and bulk, to which I always answer, depends what you expect and what your willing to gain and or sacrifice.
Personally I am a huge fan of NPP as it provides so many of the perks of Decca without the bloat.
What about you guys? Any thoughts?

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