Let's Talk DHB and Stacking

[Gymrattt1]

Look at you insulting my intelligence because I asked for links so I could read about it and learn more. I guess I hit a nerve. Maybe you shouldn't post those links, after all I'm a "meathead" and probably wouldn't understand where to click.

No way bro!, I never insulted your intelligence! You mistakenly took it that way, I was speaking to bodybuilders in general, all my brothers in the gym and the Bodybuilding community and myself as meatheads! And you couldn't hit a nerve if you tried, you ask for the links and I directed you to the literature!!!!! Were all meatheads!!!

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[Gymrattt1]

Gymrattt, random Q... What's with all the random !'s in your posts? lol some of them come out of nowhere and in the middle of sentences.

Also... Howcome some guys swear by the results they got off insanely high test cycles, despite the AR binding domain stuff that makes guys like me and you respond better to lower test + high anabolics?

Last... You ever ran dbol and primo? I know it sounds conflicting but Arnold is quoted as saying this is his favorite stack.

I personally have had success with mass compounds stacked with dry, anti-e compounds- I seem to be able to get the size from the mass compounds while staying dry due to the Anti e properties of a masteron/primo.

I never said anything regarding a bodybuilder not being able to make gains on higher test doses!! My first cycle was test only at 19 and went from very lean and Muscular 210lbs to 235lbs after the gear cleared! I was eluding to the fact that testosterone has a low binding affinity (10%) and higher doses is detrimental because what does not bind gets converted to dht or estrogen resulting in a sloppy look!, I love the anadrol primo stack, ran many times, but most bodybuilders can't appreciate the primo effects (most primo is fake or under dosed) with the fluid related in drol symptoms. I spoke with Arnold personally and he told me specifically that (dbol and primo) was his favorite stack, the two biggest factors in cycle results are insulin resistance and of course genetics!! Some guys can make freakish gains on 200mg test and others can run every drug in the book and never amount to shit!!, genetics first, knowledge next, dedication and commitment to the sport! My good friend Lee priest is a perfect example, he runs the lowest amount of gear I have ever seen and grows triple the rate guy's running 10x the dosage, ultimately respect as a bodybuilder is earned in the gym not in books or forums and any Joe blow (not to single anyone out ) can question medical science sitting behind a computer!!!!, I'm in the unique position to offer hands on experience using gear as a professional bb and knowledge in double masters degrees to athletes on all levels, beginners, intermediate (yourself), advanced, and other professionals.!! The brotherhood!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

U are right!! Gymratt is.... test has 5-10% binding affinity in 99% of us. 1st cycle and younger ages not as bad. After that and older proteins bind it up. Test doses cause more sides worth dosing too high period!! Reason for stacking!!!
If we wanna talk about stacking then those that don't.... stay on test only threads please.. and Kins.. u had it long time coming and really u on here acting like u need an AI bad... u bitch like estro out of wack!!
And u had warnings about your insults... be mad I would say but go take some AI with your test. Please!!! Your negatively bad for board
If u don't like my neg sarcasm then likewise. Post away I don't care enough to respond. Trust me people agree...
I need no help guys let it go. The bully was put in his place.

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[Gymrattt1]

U are right!! Gymratt is.... test has 5-10% binding affinity in 99% of us. 1st cycle and younger ages not as bad. After that and older proteins bind it up. Test doses cause more sides worth dosing too high period!! Reason for stacking!!!
If we wanna talk about stacking then those that don't.... stay on test only threads please.. and Kins.. u had it long time coming and really u on here acting like u need an AI bad... u bitch like estro out of wack!!
And u had warnings about your insults... be mad I would say but go take some AI with your test. Please!!! Your negatively bad for board

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Thanks m mechanic!, great to have another knowledgeable and experienced athlete who knows his shit!!, big shout out to you and moto city! Much respect brother!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

Test will become ineffective overtime at or above TRT doses.
Body build protiens to bind to it period. Some faster than others. Stacking helps and alot of other steroids free up these binding protien and test (free test becomes more active)
Some steroids bind less or not at all giving them better result in long run without flatlining!!!
If Testosteone was answer in steroids they would of stopped all research after finding it and only searched for woman answers.
Test native natty causes sides from body balancing it like it is supposed to. Estro, dht, hepiciden in liver causing high red blood from confusion from struggle to balance....
Receptor binding..... or protien binding. We build tolerance to all drugs for too many reasons understood. Hormones are something poorly understood by most Dr's and research is misinterpreted by many even articles I read by great authors.
Test at high doses works for bulk and can take 5000mg wk to 10000mg wk for most pro's... sides come with that too. Most use 3000mg wk with another roid too because all steroids every roid makes test more active all of them!!!! Because protien binding some receptor too or only.. but only some!!

Studies are not done on 2000mg test a week even no where i found either!!!

Test that isn't free or active only turns to dht and estro the rest bound to do nothing!! Total t measurement that test is high and determine your test is test on bloods..
Free unbound active testosterone tells how well it's working and what is going on with protien binding, estro, dht, and SHBG...
A high total test and low free test can simply be changed by adding to stack!!!

Another thing is see.... if we use 200 test a week no other steroid will over power or lower that free amount only make it higher!!! So the belief of more test to tren or deca.... makes no sense and is rediculous. If we wanna let hormones adjusting to 19nors go wild add more test and they go wilder. Or control those other hormones. I like 300-600wk test because everything works good with sex drive and metal clarity and mood. Tren or deca will not cancel out test... but Tren can bind at sites leaving more test to aromatase.
Tren works better with lower test for sides..
But can give flat look but Tren I reserve for cutting it's a preserving steroid and drying out due to its accurate androgenic ratio!!!
So flat look vs more test not as flat but primo and anavar help fullness with less water aromatase test... another thing about test is again no steroid will cancel out free test only increase and alot of test will make any aromatase steroid aromatase more together like deca, eq, etc.. so adding more test to over power deca which is rediculous and dumbest thing people say all over, your deca will aromatase more and test too... but using right amount of test then adding enough deca is approach. Test 400 deca 600 may be better than test 600 and deca 400 in way of aromatase and test will not at all be beaten to deca dick. Aromatase plus prolactin is culprit not more test to deca or deca needing to be beat with more test!! Again more test will make deca aromatase more and both aromatase more period aromatase and prolactin are buddies and the 2 together cause deca dick!! But I will say hgh and or peptides can raise prolactin levels without Elevated estro. Prolactin can go up and down thru out day or surrounding dosing so important that estro not only cause of high prolactin. Hgh and peptides can do it on own thru different mechanism than with aromatase steroids...

Stacking makes test more active and allows another test mimicker (the other steroid) to have its action too. Stronger binding androgen steroids help with estro fed fatty tissues in belly and chest!!! We gotta trick our body into not fighting what we doing to make it grow.
Funny thing is if I use test alone at 750mg I become pretty cut and growth stops everytime even with alot more test only but alot more sides and aromatase really start.
My body converts high DHT at 200-900mg test only a week and tendons scream!! Over 1000mg wk test aromatase becomes issue...

I can cut and come in at 5% dropping test to 50 prop a day 4 weeks out then 30mg 3 weeks and with winny and AI and or halo can keep it at 30mg a day without I gotta pull test 8 days out with prop Half-Life and come in. Coming in means without water hiding cuts but enough fullness to not be flat with viens hiding from no hydration!!! Tricky process to learn

DHB topic even though we talked about stacking and bodybuiding and test not being only tool in shed. Plus it can differ one to next or be great and in 10 years body change because of it adjusting to balance against it... happened to me!!
DHB I am holding a little water atm.

Running for cruise right now a trial before bloods.
Test cyp 100-125mg wk
Primo 525mg wk
DHB 700mg wk
Mast e 200wk
Adex 0.5mg 3x or 2x wk with 1/3 letro added in middle

The Primo is Prime labs and switching think water weight from Prime primo had it each bottle used 4 vials and switched back and forth because I saw it....

DHB started Friday after thanks giving. And worked up to bare 100mg 1ml at time per pin. Adjusted to pip.

My bf pretty low not dieting to Lower either so I can see water from anything, like Prime labs primo causes me....

I will update more and thought it would be great time to try it out this DHB and bloods will tell if it harms anything Mid Jan. Primo I am switching to very trusted brand. DHB brand is comfortable with me using thru my bloods, they said no worries on that!!

Going to blood bank this week and will post result. Oct 28 was at 14 hemo and didn't draw that was cool. I have standing order thru TRT and secondary polycythemia. I can't use Testosteone too high are gotta drain blood every 3 weeks. But test prop doesnt cause the problem with hemo as much. DHB last run I had phlebotomy at 17 hemo but may be not related will see...

So let me rid water and see what's up.

I too am trying to find best combo stacks and without test over 600-900wk because of red blood test gives me higher and other sides that I don't want, that other stacking options work better than test over 900wk because I often use test cyp 200wk plus 50-100 prop a day on lean bulk. The prop helps red blood stay lower according to my recorded hemo... and I been using less test without red blood issue. 12.5mg trest ace test p around 35-65mg and I feel like I am using 100mg prop instead. So free trest... Trest a perfect example of free test and non binding!! Trest ace binds to nothing to prevent it from being inactive like test at 5% active is most common!!

I said alot and spoke in language everyone can hopefully understand agree disagree what ever.

Bodybuilding is having as much muscle packed with pronounced shoulders, chest, arms to waist and pronounced legs to waist, while keeping bf low!!!!
That is bodybuilding!!! Keeping 15% bf year round and never getting below is not bodybuiding. But trying to gain more and keep in 8-13% average range is bodybuiding. Other thing at 15% it's called lifting!!!
Those of us "bodybuiding" truly have different views than those "working out" or "lifting". Bodybuilders look like bodybuilders no matter their overall size or weight class. Lifters look like athletes that workout with weights. Athletic build vs bodybuilder build the biggest difference are bf%. Staying at 15% and getting to 5 or even 8%....... there is big difference in methods used except for genetic gifted... Bodybuilders look bigger at smaller weight than athelete, muscle on one compared to other is huge difference!!!

I am a bodybuilder and love all of us together any in iron!!! But unless u been in true class of bodybuilder in bf%, than it's almost like listing to a fat trainer... no offense at all but getting into single digits Lower than 7% even is a science on its own that we gotta master far more complicated than bulking..

So we stack. If any bully was upset, than really take it as sarcasm and treat others the way u wanna be treated. I didn't have to read much it's constant and a bulker who never cuts can't help in a cut. Unless they experienced at training guys to cut...or done it recent and understand things listed above to say the least...
If all research was just so with steroids and our results we can follow a book and not need trainer or experience to get where we going. Alot of things vary person to person and we do also change over time. I used gear 20 years. Not 20 year blast but 20 years experience and my responce has changed to many things over time especially test threshold and side effects I never had...

Long ass post, but cleared air on things agreements, disagreements and facts some facts according to circumstances and goals of bodybuilder vs the athletic built lifter. Didn't ever get into powerlifting, I am only experieced in athletic lifter and bodybuilder. I learned difference and the use of gear gets alot more technical with the low BF bodybuilder. U guys will think I am nuts after reading this...

DHB has Tren like affects???? LMAO!! Because I have some post on tren that are something..
DHB gave me bed drenching night sweats last weak. Not as much past 2 nights.
Now I am going to gym.

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[Thehogstwrs]

Thanks for the insite gymratt. I never thought about certain things with angros. I guess this is why they say low test and high tren works better than say 50/50 or higher test with lower tren.?

 

[Gymrattt1]

Thanks for the insite gymratt. I never thought about certain things with angros. I guess this is why they say low test and high tren works better than say 50/50 or higher test with lower tren.?

Anytime brother!, just Holla if you have any questions! Peace!!!

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[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

I never said anything regarding a bodybuilder not being able to make gains on higher test doses!! My first cycle was test only at 19 and went from very lean and Muscular 210lbs to 235lbs after the gear cleared! I was eluding to the fact that testosterone has a low binding affinity (10%) and higher doses is detrimental because what does not bind gets converted to dht or estrogen resulting in a sloppy look!, I love the anadrol primo stack, ran many times, but most bodybuilders can't appreciate the primo effects (most primo is fake or under dosed) with the fluid related in drol symptoms. I spoke with Arnold personally and he told me specifically that (dbol and primo) was his favorite stack, the two biggest factors in cycle results are insulin resistance and of course genetics!! Some guys can make freakish gains on 200mg test and others can run every drug in the book and never amount to shit!!, genetics first, knowledge next, dedication and commitment to the sport! My good friend Lee priest is a perfect example, he runs the lowest amount of gear I have ever seen and grows triple the rate guy's running 10x the dosage, ultimately respect as a bodybuilder is earned in the gym not in books or forums and any Joe blow (not to single anyone out ) can question medical science sitting behind a computer!!!!, I'm in the unique position to offer hands on experience using gear as a professional bb and knowledge in double masters degrees to athletes on all levels, beginners, intermediate (yourself), advanced, and other professionals.!! The brotherhood!!

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Slabs of Beef....!



I think he had as much Beef Slab on his Tris, as Platz had on his Quads.

 

[Kins]

No way bro!, I never insulted your intelligence! You mistakenly took it that way, I was speaking to bodybuilders in general, all my brothers in the gym and the Bodybuilding community and myself as meatheads! And you couldn't hit a nerve if you tried, you ask for the links and I directed you to the literature!!!!! Were all meatheads!!!

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Oh ok. Sorry for that then. Thanks for your contributions to the forum.

 

[Gymrattt1]

Oh ok. Sorry for that then. Thanks for your contributions to the forum.

Not a problem bro! It's all good! Peace!

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[Kins]

@Gyrattt1, Question for you- Why do so many guys love Tren?. I just finished a cycle with it and I was not impressed. I've gotten better gains and less side effects from every other drug I've ever tried. I favor drugs higher ratio of gains to side effects. When I read about trenbolone- the specific drug and not opinions on forums it seems to be a terrible drug. Yet on a lot of forums people seem to think the more side effects you get from a drug, the better they "rate" that drug. This just doesn't make any sense to me. Why would you want or look for more side effects?. I see quotes like this,

I'm on my second week of Tren E and I covered in sweat and never sleep!. This gear is on point brah!

It just blows my mind.

 

[Gymrattt1]

@Gyrattt1, Question for you- Why do so many guys love Tren?. I just finished a cycle with it and I was not impressed. I've gotten better gains and less side effects from every other drug I've ever tried. I favor drugs higher ratio of gains to side effects. When I read about trenbolone- the specific drug and not opinions on forums it seems to be a terrible drug. Yet on a lot of forums people seem to think the more side effects you get from a drug, the better they "rate" that drug. This just doesn't make any sense to me. Why would you want or look for more side effects?. I see quotes like this,



It just blows my mind.

I'm with you on that point bro!, most of my peers In bodybuilding agree with you and I, tren is only used by most professionals for pre contest only (I have never gained more than 10lbs of muscle with tren and that was only once) mostly the younger generation of bodybuilding has the preconceived belief that tren is the all mighty king!, yes on paper (500/500) anabolic to androgenic ratio but in reality it's not the best for mass gains!, that title goes to its 19 nor brother (deca), the reason behind that is all steroids are judged on how well they bind to the androgen receptor, tren binds at (91%) and deca has the highest affinity of all (93%) anadrol (the most baffling to scientists) has the lowest (1%) judging a compound on its side effects for strength is laughable! trust me when I say that I know what all the elite bodybuilders are using for mass its deca and primo (anadrol and dbol not as much as you would think mostly early in a career ) thier liver would never make it through a lengthy career in bodybuilding. Tren is only added for pre contest! Tren's true power lies in it's ability over nutrient partitioning , making the best choice for recomp cycles that is why it's giving to cattle (gain muscle and lose fat) farmers can make better use of the feed giving to them keeping the feed costs down. In humans tren makes better use of protein, carbs and fats! But not for mass gains. tren is by far the most overrated Steroid in the younger generation for mass, That's where the bro science comes in, most athletes learn the hard way with tren! stick with deca and primo (or dhb) for your anabolic compounds with low dose test and you can grow as much as you want (I'm 291lbs) trust me!, add tren only to cut for 8 weeks only because it downgrades real fast!, the power of its binding affinity is its own worst enemy in the end!! Tren has major effects on the brain (by effecting fluids) it will bring out the worst in you!! Hope this helps you out brother!!!

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[Kins]

I'm with you on that point bro!, most of my peers In bodybuilding agree with you and I, tren is only used by most professionals for pre contest only!, mostly the younger generation of bodybuilding Has the preconceived belief that tren is the all mighty king!, yes on paper but in reality it's not the best for mass gains!, that title goes to its 19 nor brother (deca), the reason behind that is all steroids are judged on how well they bind to the androgen receptor, tren binds at 91% and deca has the highest affinity of all 93%, trust me when I say that I know what all the elite bodybuilders are using for mass its deca and primo, with test!! Tren is only added for pre contest! Tren's true power lies in it's ability as a nutrient partishiner , it makes the best choice for recomp cycles that is why it's giving to cattle, they can make better use of the feed giving to them, keeping the feed costs down. In humans it makes better use of protein, carbs and fats! tren is by far the most overrated Steroids in the younger generation! That's where the bro science comes in, stick with deca and primo for your anabolic compounds with low dose test and you can grow as much as you want, add tren only to cut for 8 weeks only because it downgrades, the power of its binding affinity is its own worst enemy in the end!! Tren has major effects on the brain (by effecting fluids) it will bring out the worst in you!! Hope this helps you out brother!!!

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Thanks Gymrattt1!. I wish more guys were more level headed about tren like you.

 

[Gymrattt1]

Thanks Gymrattt1!. I wish more guys were more level headed about tren like you.

Anytime brother!!!

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[xxplosive]

Ya kins, i gotta say... I been on the boards for a long time, have done loads of research and personal trial and error and I still get blown away by the amount of knowledge gymrattt has.

He is prob too humble to come out and say it, but without revealing much I will say that homie is legit formally educated on these things that we speak about, and you gotta respect that. He has a tremendous amount of actual scientific knowledge of this shit and seems to have as good of first hand knowledge from the elite in this sport.

It is very humbling to listen to what he has to say and honestly a great blessing to have someone with that kinda in depth knowledge on the board.

I also think you may have taken what he said out of context.

 

[Kins]

Ya kins, i gotta say... I been on the boards for a long time, have done loads of research and personal trial and error and I still get blown away by the amount of knowledge gymrattt has.

He is prob too humble to come out and say it, but without revealing much I will say that homie is legit formally educated on these things that we speak about, and you gotta respect that. He has a tremendous amount of actual scientific knowledge of this shit and seems to have as good of first hand knowledge from the elite in this sport.

It is very humbling to listen to what he has to say and honestly a great blessing to have someone with that kinda in depth knowledge on the board.

I also think you may have taken what he said out of context.

Yes I did take what he said wrong. It's difficult to explain things on forums sometimes because they are not taken the way they are meant. I know this personally because I struggle with explaining things the correct way so people understand them the way I mean. I have apologized though and I believe we are both good. Gymrattt does seem to be a very smart guy and I like the way he thinks.

 

[xxplosive]

Thanks Gymrattt1!. I wish more guys were more level headed about tren like you.

I hate tren. Will never run it again. Simply not worth how it makes you feel physically and mentally.

It gives ALL aas a bad name and is prob the only one that legitimately should be illegal.

 

[Kins]

I hate tren. Will never run it again. Simply not worth how it makes you feel physically and mentally.

It gives ALL aas a bad name and is prob the only one that legitimately should be illegal.

I'm still gonna try it again because I have more, don't want to trash it and am far too paranoid to ship it out to anyone. There has to be some way to get some kind of use out of it.

 

[Solocom]

I'm with you on that point bro!, most of my peers In bodybuilding agree with you and I, tren is only used by most professionals for pre contest only (I have never gained more than 10lbs of muscle with tren and that was only once) mostly the younger generation of bodybuilding has the preconceived belief that tren is the all mighty king!, yes on paper (500/500) anabolic to androgenic ratio but in reality it's not the best for mass gains!, that title goes to its 19 nor brother (deca), the reason behind that is all steroids are judged on how well they bind to the androgen receptor, tren binds at (91%) and deca has the highest affinity of all (93%) anadrol (the most baffling to scientists) has the lowest (1%) judging a compound on its side effects for strength is laughable! trust me when I say that I know what all the elite bodybuilders are using for mass its deca and primo (anadrol and dbol not as much as you would think mostly early in a career ) thier liver would never make it through a lengthy career in bodybuilding. Tren is only added for pre contest! Tren's true power lies in it's ability over nutrient partitioning , making the best choice for recomp cycles that is why it's giving to cattle (gain muscle and lose fat) farmers can make better use of the feed giving to them keeping the feed costs down. In humans tren makes better use of protein, carbs and fats! But not for mass gains. tren is by far the most overrated Steroid in the younger generation for mass, That's where the bro science comes in, most athletes learn the hard way with tren! stick with deca and primo (or dhb) for your anabolic compounds with low dose test and you can grow as much as you want (I'm 291lbs) trust me!, add tren only to cut for 8 weeks only because it downgrades real fast!, the power of its binding affinity is its own worst enemy in the end!! Tren has major effects on the brain (by effecting fluids) it will bring out the worst in you!! Hope this helps you out brother!!!

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We are definitely lucky to have you around. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us brother!

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[Gymrattt1]

We are definitely lucky to have you around. Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us brother!

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Happy to help out anyway I can bro!!

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