Is hcg needed for 1st cycle

[Loganx12]

is Hcg needed if only running test p for first cycle? clomid,nolva and aromasin on hand for pct will that be enough?

 

[Andrew0409]

Well first, your question seems to indicate that for some reason your first cycle affects your body differently than cycles after that. Which is not true. HCG is not needed but many find it useful to pin it just before pct because it does jump start your HPTA after shutting it down with AAS. But HCG also shuts it down. It may help with the PCT process as it at least gets it going before you use your serms or AI for your PCT. So you won't just drop off completely with your test levels which sucks.
But mainly I like it because it helps maintain libido for me after being on for a while and not for pct reasons.


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[Andrew0409]

Also, prop for your first cycle? Ouch. I made that mistake with my virgin muscles. I get it's short acting and You can adjust the dose. But most prop hurts, from light pain to crippling even after years of pinning. I would not have used prop my first pin if I had to do it again.


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[Loganx12]

thanks man. yeah lesson learned on test p for 1st cycle ouch indeed . how long should I wait for the ester to clear out before starting PCT ?

 

[Andrew0409]

thanks man. yeah lesson learned on test p for 1st cycle ouch indeed . how long should I wait for the ester to clear out before starting PCT ?

3-5 days after the last pin. What's your pct look like?


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[Loganx12]

clomid 50/50/25/25, nolvadex 40/40/20/20 , aromasin 12.5 eod 4weeks

 

[Andrew0409]

I think others are going to agree with me here. That you don't need to aromasin. It's overkill.


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[Loganx12]

ok sounds good thanks man

 

[Thehogstwrs]

Yeah unless you have gyno symptoms drop the aromasin. You don't want your estrogen level to drop to low.

 

[spyderwebb]

Also, prop for your first cycle? Ouch. I made that mistake with my virgin muscles. I get it's short acting and You can adjust the dose. But most prop hurts, from light pain to crippling even after years of pinning. I would not have used prop my first pin if I had to do it again.


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Well y don't u try test a its painless and it pretty much is the same thing as prop


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[Rl62283]

I was thinking test e or c for my first cyc. your saying test a is painless? how long does the pain last after each injection? now I got me thinking.

 

[spyderwebb]

I was thinking test e or c for my first cyc. your saying test a is painless? how long does the pain last after each injection? now I got me thinking.

Well I can vouch for dred test a as being painless... other sources may differ... I use a 25 gauge pin 1 inch to do the shot eod... haven't had any discomfort from it


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[Matty]

HCG for sure, but I personally run the ai into pct for a couple weeks. Not afraid of rebound as much as trying to keep estrogen levels down so my serm is effective.

 

[Andrew0409]

HCG for sure, but I personally run the ai into pct for a couple weeks. Not afraid of rebound as much as trying to keep estrogen levels down so my serm is effective.

I don't mind a small dose of AI but Aromasin will drop is estrogen too low imo. .25 adex could be ok.


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[Matty]

Andrew, would you say .25 eod or every day