Alright, first time pinning the area just about 3 minutes ago. I followed XS video and even drew on my leg like X did. Pinned in between those lines. I made sure I could feel the muscle when I moved my heel out first. Then I moved it back in so the muscle was relaxed. Got 1 ml of 250mg/ml Test E and 1 ml of 200/ml 1T cyp loaded up. Darted pin right in. 1" 23 G. Feels pretty sore now but that might just be psychological. I aspirated and didn't see any blood. Matter of fact when I took the pin out I didn't even get a drop. I usually get a least a drop or two when I pin my quad area. It was weird to me not see any blood after taking the needle out. Well I can't say none, there was what could only be described as a trace of blood. I don't think a 1.5" would ever be needed in this case. The muscle seems really close to the surface of the skin. I have a small layer of fat and skin over it though. I don't know how thick that layer is though. I buried the needle though. Massaged the area with alcohol swab like I normally do. That's supposed to cut down on pain and help the oil get into the muscle. At least that is what I've heard/seen on you tube videos. I'm a by the book type of guy and I've watched a ton of videos on injection. Some may even say I'm OCD about follow things "procedurally".
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Yeah I just tried for the first time.
Ok did the left side today. No blood while aspirating but a little bit of blood after pulling the needle out. Hope I'm hitting the muscle. I can't really see the muscle at all but I can feel it flex when I move my heel out like X says in his video. I make sure and try and pin in that area that flexes. Would it be obvious if I missed the spot?.
Today I noticed a muscle in my right leg was swollen up a bit. I pinned the right VG today. The muscle was harder than normal, which is one of the effects I get from 1 Test anyway. I did have a bit of difficultly today. I had to switch pins because I thought the one I had was dull or something. I poked and made a blood dot with the first one. Changed the pin and then darted it in faster and got it in. It did actually hurt a bit. While I was pushing the plunger in and I go slowly I accidentally pulled a tiny bit out, maybe 1/16" was showing. Normally I bury it and keep it steady buried the entire time. No problem just pushed it back in. When I pulled it out this time there was a lot more blood than normal though. I did aspirate and didn't see any blood so I don't know. I'm limping a bit.
It's just my right side. For some reason when I pin my right side I get pain maybe 2 out of 10 pins. My left side I've never had a problem. I'm talking about pinning the quad as far as my experiences with pain. It seems the VG is the same. On the left side it's almost as if I can't even tell that I pinned.
Yeah it was my quad pin that screwed me up. For some reason I have more trouble on the right side with PIP. Never any problems on the left side. Did my second pin on the left side VG yesterday and it was great. A little burn right after, but besides that no trouble at all. No pain or anything.
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Thank you [MENTION=46]Xsbobber[/MENTION]. I lost link to your vid and so glad you came to rescue.
This is the video that I was referring to. Glad xsbobber found this thread.
Congrats. It'll get easier and easier. If you get bad PIP, don't give up on VG yet. 1-TEST gave me bad PIP or I am just too much of a pussy. I bet oil flows so easy thru a 23g. Next time on a injection spot that you are comfortable with, try 25g 1" and warm your syringe to increase viscosity and try to find MCT Oil as carrier oil because MCT Oil is naturally already has high viscosity. I forgot to mention that I am able to get away with using 29g slin pins because I only use MCT Oil and I warm up syringe with 5-10 sec hair dryer (also works if your gear crashed, but will take longer time). So try that if you can because I don't think you should need to use anything larger than 25g. And if you do, then maybe you should try a different source.
Also if your having uncertainty that your not going correctly, then take a pic of your VG when standing. This will give us a better idea of what you are dealing with and then we will be able to help you better. I know how much it sucked when I wasn't confidence and pining scared which caused me to shake and wobble syringe more than I usually do.
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Wonderful news to hear.
Right side VG today, didn't go so great. Pin hurt when it went in so I pulled out and switched pins, looked at XS video again, drew the lines on my leg like he did and went again. Still felt a bit of pain but I think I let the oil cool too much this time and it is 1 T cyp so....Aspirated again, didn't see any blood so I pushed the oil in slowly. Pulled needled out and there was a few drops of blood. Now my leg feels a bit funny. Sort of like if you hit it wrong and it feels a little painful but more like a tickle, like you hit your "funny bone". Right side is always crappy now for some reason. Hopefully goes better than last week. Maybe I'll just get used to it and if I do enough squats at warm up weight it'll help. Gonna do some cardio tomorrow, I'm thinking that might help a bit. Not science but I figure if I get the muscles working it'll help. I dunno, no blood during aspiration or anything so I think I'm good. Don't really want to post a pic of myself online. Practice makes perfect so I'll just keep pinning. Maybe my right side is just more sensitive?.
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Wonderful News. I think you are already doing this but please rotate injection sites. I pin
1ml max in left quad and left delt
2ml max in left VG,
2.5ml max in left glute,
1ml max in right quad and right delt
2ml max in right VG
2.5ml max in right glute
and repeat which gives me 8 different injection sites.
Yes I already rotate injection sites. I've only done glutes maybe 2 times because I get a huge bump and get pretty sore. Haven't done delts yet though because I'd rather stick to the bigger muscles. Makes more sense to me and I'm only using 2 different oils. I don't have much experience with IM as most on here do, but do have the experience with oral AAS. Some people mistakenly think PH aren't steroids but they are. They just have to convert. Also there are a ton of people that mistakenly call the ones that don't have to convert PH when they are actual steroids. Max limit for hynee and VG is 4mL and thigh(quad) too. So I've got the VG, quad, dorsal hynee...Deltoid is only 1mL total, so....Maybe I'll try it one day.
