How much is enough or to much

[Kins]

More is not always necessarily better. You do have to consider cycle exp, size, age, and particular goals for your next cycle but if gains are still improving at lower or current doses there would be no need to up your doses.

Some guys chase sides for some reason. Their mentality is that if they aren't getting side effects, than the drug "isn't working". So what they do is keep increasing the dosage until they get side effects, and they think, "This is awesome!. I'm getting all these sides, this stuff is fire!". Then mistakenly think that they "don't get any effects" until a certain dosage is run.

 

[Kins]

The results from tren with lower test are much better less water hard dry look and the tren takes over also why the sides are worse much worse . with higher test there is still some estrogen and also some of that feel good sensation going on but you don't get that hard tren look as easily . so higher test less sides . lower test better results but you will feel it. Make sense

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Yeah that makes sense. Wouldn't it be a better idea to run higher test than?, because it sounds like the only problem is more water retention. Or no, because of the increased dosages you're gonna have increased chances of getting gyno...Guess it all depends on the person and how you react.

 

[Gymjunkie38]

Yeah that makes sense. Wouldn't it be a better idea to run higher test than?, because it sounds like the only problem is more water retention. Or no, because of the increased dosages you're gonna have increased chances of getting gyno...Guess it all depends on the person and how you react.

I'm generally using tren during prep so know I want very low estrogen . I'm sweating balls from the DNP and shaking like heel from the clen hungry as fuck on 1500 calorie deficit still training for two hours a day plus cardio .nothing feels good I'm a total wreck but I'm chasing a win maybe qualify for nationals and go for a pro card get it not trying to feel good trying too win. Now if your not a bodybuilder probably yeah

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[noworries301]

Perfectly said. And you REALLY feel it. I found that starting higher test and lower tren you can switch the ratio when you get to your personal limit with the sides
After MANY years I never got to "low" test with this Combo the sides are just not worth it I'd rather diet harder and use proviron with the stack and supp with a dry oral tossed in like Var for the extra hardness
But well said gj 38 🏻*♀️


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[Roc]

Look at your diet, I can tell you now, your not eating enough!! Gear doesn't replace food, the more gear you run the more food you need! If you drop mg, you will get bigger.

Food is what makes huge people, not gear!

 

[Kx450f]

I eat a ton of food but it never seems like enough I'm stuffed all the time lol it's hard to eat that much when your eating clean
also I don't want the sides that's why I take so much test with my tren I'm not going to increase my doses yet I'm feeling pretty good now
thanks for all the help I've never ran tren with low doses of test I'd probably kill someone lol I'm already kinda angry lol
grate form you guys have here and very nice helpful people
I may hit you guys up for a new cycle I've only ever done tren and test

 

[Kins]

If you are not gaining on those dosages...It is diet or training or both that is the problem. So your first cycle included tren?.

 

[Gymjunkie38]

If you trying too gain and you eating too fullness constantly and not gaining for god sakes don't up the tren if anything dump it for NPP or Deca tren is better bulker for guys like me with a huge appetite and shotty genetics I can gain size on tren and it keeps me from getting fat eating in a surplus . if its burning up too many calories don't add more unless you plan on drink gallons of whole milk with MCT oil mixed in it.

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[Kx450f]

Oh no dudes I'm gaining fast really fast
whats mtc oil and what's that do
I eat lots of white rice with lean meat
salads avacoto unsalted nuts lots of eggs like 6 a day
protein bars isolate protein
and as much water as I can get down
i just know some guys that say 900 tren and 1500 test is the best way to go

 

[suraonyx23]

Why is it so hard for you to post up your body fat percentage? And don't guess either. You say you're 6'1 260. And the way you've dodged the question and acting like you know it all by saying what does it matter your body fat percentage? Either your fat at those stats you gave or your really good shape. And honestly just trying to help so


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[Kx450f]

It's not a big deal I just don't know what it is and I've never measured it before
i don't even know how I'm not fat but I'm not supper lean

 

[biggc1]

It's not a big deal I just don't know what it is and I've never measured it before
i don't even know how I'm not fat but I'm not supper lean

Post a pic. Some of the guys are pretty good at estimating

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[suraonyx23]

It's not a big deal I just don't know what it is and I've never measured it before
i don't even know how I'm not fat but I'm not supper lean

Well the main reason I'm asking is a lot of people are mistaken with their own body fat percentage. We including me tend to think that we're something that we're not lol. And when you posted your height/weight and then your cycle/dosages and say it's your 2nd it's cause for concern. Cuz honestly if anyone is high in body fat then throwing lots of tren on top of that, cuz they think it's going to make them shred it quickly. It's so stressful towards your heart and that's the man reason for my questions


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