Higher Trean

[Kins]

I dig Chevelle too, and the Used but I like alot of Music, even Elvis , "some" classy country, barely any rap, but so.e is creative & catchy, but not much of it. Like SRV, Stained,
Sooooo..Much too much to list tho.

Elvis is awesome. Don't know who Chevelle is but I'll google. Always thought it was a model of Chevy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Chevelle

I like old time Country also. Outlaw country is pretty good. Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, Conway Twitty is good. I'll even listen to opera. I don't really like Jazz.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

I dig Chevelle too, and the Used but I like alot of Music, even Elvis , "some" classy country, barely any rap, but so.e is creative & catchy, but not much of it. Like SRV, Stained,
Sooooo..Much too much to list tho.

Oh man... I may have to throw on some Staind today at the gym. The bass riff on Mudshovel always got me going....

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[TheMuscleMan]

I used to run tren ace everyday at 100mg along with test prop everyday at 100mg and I couldn't go past 8 weeks because the sides would be too bad to handle. I was always one to go high test and other compounds somewhere around half of the test. Now I wanted to switch things up a bit and run a different cycle based on some blood work I had seen. I ran 60mg tren ace everyday and 40mg test prop everyday and I looked great and felt wonderful. The blood work I had seen showed what the little amounts can do, I seen what can happen from 30mg of Test Prop a day to 40mg a day, test level results from in the 800s to over 1500 with just a 10mg change per day. I was able to stay on longer than 8 weeks and not have any of the negative sides. So running other compounds higher than test does work and your doses do not have to be super high to get good results. The old saying less is more is true.

Thanks
TMM

 

[Fitlifewill]

Thanks I appreciate your response. I've never been over 300mg a week and it's always worked well for me. I would just like to try running Tren at 800mg a week to see how my body reacts good or bad. That's why I'm running Ace so if anything goes wrong it'll be out my system quick. Like you said though I generally believe that less is more. Maybe I should blame The 44. I've been watching his videos and they made me want to try this once.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

I used to run tren ace everyday at 100mg along with test prop everyday at 100mg and I couldn't go past 8 weeks because the sides would be too bad to handle. I was always one to go high test and other compounds somewhere around half of the test. Now I wanted to switch things up a bit and run a different cycle based on some blood work I had seen. I ran 60mg tren ace everyday and 40mg test prop everyday and I looked great and felt wonderful. The blood work I had seen showed what the little amounts can do, I seen what can happen from 30mg of Test Prop a day to 40mg a day, test level results from in the 800s to over 1500 with just a 10mg change per day. I was able to stay on longer than 8 weeks and not have any of the negative sides. So running other compounds higher than test does work and your doses do not have to be super high to get good results. The old saying less is more is true.

Thanks
TMM

Agreed.

I always think this is smart to say...
"Individual results may vary."

Everybody is different.

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[Poohbear]

There is a limit to receptors on everybody but it is different for us all . With that being said I think the jump ur are making is too big in my opinion go to 600mgs tren a per week to start with and then adjust from there up or down .

I run a gram of tren all the time but keep in mind I have been doing this for many many years now .

 

[Fitlifewill]

@Poobear the more I think about it your right. I will start at 600mg and go up or down. I love Tren and the sides have never been that bad to me. I'm able to sleep fine and the night sweats are the only thing that get me from time to time. But I've learn to sleep without a cover on me and I'm good. But your right.

 

[RamboStallone]

These tren doses are crazy to me! I literally don't go over 150-200mg with it if I even run it at all. It's not just about sides, what about when your left ventricle stops working right? Several tren abusers have had major heart issues, I would be careful. I stupidly ran 600-800mg before too, didn't last too long, felt like death.

 

[Kins]

These tren doses are crazy to me! I literally don't go over 150-200mg with it if I even run it at all. It's not just about sides, what about when your left ventricle stops working right? Several tren abusers have had major heart issues, I would be careful. I stupidly ran 600-800mg before too, didn't last too long, felt like death.

You should make a thread about this subject Rambo. You are a well respected member here and people will listen. It might help a lot of guys out. Just if you go over your experience with it and also about the heart issues.

 

[CompoundLifts31]

There is a limit to receptors on everybody but it is different for us all . With that being said I think the jump ur are making is too big in my opinion go to 600mgs tren a per week to start with and then adjust from there up or down .

I run a gram of tren all the time but keep in mind I have been doing this for many many years now .

I'm glad you said this because I personally thought you first post was a mindless one. No offense bro, but I know you've been around too long for such a response.

So you're taking MY advice?!? Lmao...
(Not you [MENTION=7]Poohbear[/MENTION])

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[Fitlifewill]

Yes I'm taking your advice.That's why I ask the question to see if I was going over board or not. I respect the guys here. I may not post a lot but I'm always on.

 

[1977_Corvette]

I keep reading where guys are running low Test and their other compounds higher. For my next cycle I plan on running Test C at 250 a week and Tren Ace at 800 a week. I've been cycling for 3 years now but have never tried a cycle like this before. I plan on running this cycle for 12 weeks. I love Tren but have never ran it more then 300 a week. My question is for you guys that have run Tren this high before do you think tiffs is a good cycle or am I just wasting the extra Tren running it this high?

I didnt read through the entire thread, but personally i think jumping from 300mg of tren A a week to 800 is too much. Low test High tren i think sounds better in theory, ive tried both and still prefer more test then tren, but thats just me. Everyone reacts different but 800 mgs is getting up there, just be ready for the mental fuck that will come with it

 

[Muscle mechanic]

For years me and tren a or e got along.

Then problems started with tren e.
I got gun shy!!

I used ace again but higher than test.
Test p 40mg a day
Tren a up slow to 75mg a day

Now I run
This way
Test p 75-100mg ED
Tren ace 75-100mg ED
Mast p 100mg ED

I back off test p when sides of aggression start and agitation start.
I back off to 50mg test p to 75mg-100mg tren a.
Mast makes all go smoother for me.
Proviron too.
I love androgenic steroids I need to dose higher than some people but I am sensitive to bloat from bulkers less androgenic. That is me though.

I use .5 adex 3 times a wk
Or aromasin 12.5 mg eod
Nolva 10mg a day
Cabar not until needed!!! When I have it.
Cabar at 0.5 mg @2× a week isbt associated with sides like higher dose for other conditions it's used for.
0.5mg@2×wk is gold standard treatment for prolactinemia!!

With tren higher then test I notice everything settled down once water and estro gets lower.

For cabar signs to use for me are indigestion. Progest causes acid to empty slower from stomach!!!
Of coarse limp dick with no feeling or stimulation.
Sensitive nipps I never had or swelling except one time from sust and tren e years ago.

I use nolva at 10mg ed alot cause for me it helps bloat and fatty estro fed tissue without me having to kill lipids with too much AI dosages!!!!

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[Muscle mechanic]

Just now finishing up my first tren cycle. And I started low dose with test and tren and just kept bumping it till I felt sides then backed off some.
I am now at 200 test and 350 tren E I know thats low but it worked well for me + I cycle orals ev 2 weeks. I was running low on ace so switched to tren E bout 5 wks in. And I can say E is easy to deal with compared to A.
Let us know what u choose and how it works.

I ran tren ace then tren E.
Ran tren e every year prolly 12 weeks
And for alot of years.

After getting older I guess I am 42 now. And with stress in life, kids, more responsibilities.
Anyway around 37, tren e slammed me with sides that I had to take a week off job and let ester clear!! I had did almost 2 bottles before it built up and hit!!
I told my woman it's the tren e, please help me!!!! That it had to clear and I was gonna blow with any stress!!!
It took 7 days and I wasn't having heart race and snapping for littlest things that would piss me off.
After 10 days I was brave enough to go back to work and check BP!!!

So now only tren ace, because it doesn't have building cumulative affect that takes Enathate half lives to go down.

Ace can be adjusted with difference in 2 days instead of weeks and it doesn't creep up on u!!!

Enathate esters good for stable levels and less injections but it has to also build up on top of each half life to benifit us. BUT WE BETTER BE SURE THESE LEVELS THAT BUILD UP ARE FROM SOMETHING ANY MAN CAN HANDLE AND THE HORMONE AT LEAST BE NATIVE TO OUR BODY LIKE TEST E!!!!
I learned my lesson and had wondered reading the horror stories. Tren and it's sides are definitely stress induced, the sides that can become dangerous rather than a complaint!!!

Just a caution, it had never happened to me after 17 years using roids
Now these past 4-5 years I learned the most the first 17 were just what it took to learn!!!


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[JoMoe]

Well said muscle mechanic. That go’s to show that everything going on in life plays a role, and especially the body’s levels being in check while on. And my sides seems worse when I was dealing with more stress. I had a lot of bad shit hit me about a year ago that I am just now learing to deal with. Hell maybe that’s why the sides seem less. Either way I’ve already got my next run ready and it is ace. Time will tell. A man will never stop learing in this game, if he does he’s not doing something right.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Well said muscle mechanic. That go’s to show that everything going on in life plays a role, and especially the body’s levels being in check while on. And my sides seems worse when I was dealing with more stress. I had a lot of bad shit hit me about a year ago that I am just now learing to deal with. Hell maybe that’s why the sides seem less. Either way I’ve already got my next run ready and it is ace. Time will tell. A man will never stop learing in this game, if he does he’s not doing something right.

Just be careful brother!!! The tren hormone is the one I gained alot if respect for.
And reason I speak up like I did, is I never had bad sides with it until that one time.
It scared me so much then seeing I wasn't only one with Tren Enathate version that I am still scared to run the E again.

I get similar sides from tren ace especially with stress, patients and just snapping for stupid reasons. It makes me not back off and walk away. I gotta have that last word instead of chilling out!!!

These sides with tren ace can be controlled by adjusting tren ace dose and test prop dose.

Also important and what sold me on lower test to tren. I always use the tren ace at end if blast most of time. When switching from long to short esters and adding tren, if long ester test is too high without letting it go down the sides can be rough even with lower prop from the long ester spike the first week to ten days.

So Lower long ester test a couple weeks before adding tren a and test prop when using to cut at end of longer blast!!!

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[horsefli]

Muscle Mechanic-man I can so see what your saying happening on Tren E. Does the Prolactin build up have any input on our aggression? I have not read that anywhere I remember but would almost seem to go hand in hand.

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Muscle Mechanic-man I can so see what your saying happening on Tren E. Does the Prolactin build up have any input on our aggression? I have not read that anywhere I remember but would almost seem to go hand in hand.

No not prolactin imo!!!

With tren e or any long ester the hormone builds each week on top of half life not reduced to nothing.

400 tren e per week example
In one week that 400 is half of 200 because of enathate half life.

The next week another 400 injection will add on to that 200

And the next week 200 from first will be down to 100 but second 400 down to 200
Plus another 400 wk injection will be
400+200+100=approx 700 now after just 3 weeks.

Test E works same way reason it has to build up high enough to have stable levels releasing daily to work well 5 weeks it really kicks in.
Test will not stimulate CNS like tren at these raised levels.

So with tren e if dose builds to more than we can stand than we can't just adjust with relief in a day or two like tren ace.

Stress = higher levels of cortisol
Cortisol released to calm us down is one purpose.
Tren suppresses Cortisol prolly more than any other steroid.
Tren stimulates CNS which if stress arises our cortisol will be suppressed from tren. With tren e really suppressed with no letting up until longer half life passes.

So this reaction along with estro being high causes stress too.
This is what I believe happens

How it affects us, our adrenal hormones have alot to do with it. Our stress levels our supply for cortisol our adrenal health.
All factors in it. A stress free life helps alot

So now I only use tren ace.
I may use some tren e again BUT HOW TO MEASURE BREAKING POINT???
with ace we just adjust dose, with e.....
We Gotta wait it out!!!

One other possible is tren does lower thyroid which has alot of functions and regulates lots of things in our bodies including prolactin.
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[horsefli]

I sure wouldn't disagree, looks like a solid statement man! With only a small amount of experience and a lot of reading from myself.