ek5.56
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**sorry, this is a long post. Thank you in advance to those who don't mind and read through**coffe11
What’s up everybody. My initial purpose for this thread is to just get the gears turning, and start the relationship with you all prior to closing on the my first pinnings. From here on out, I'll be welcoming any feedback and criticism, advice on all areas, suggestions, questions and comments, as well likely asking plenty of questions myself. I plan to have a log going once things take off to for my own reference and for the hell of it. As a newb to these boards, and to AAS, I don't want to be one of the people that comes in here and says "hey bros I'm starting a cycle tomorrow what do you all think?" without KNOWING they have all their ducks in a row. This will be my first cycle, and while I feel I'm pretty knowledgeable, I know there's still a lot I don't know. The way I see it, the better you prepare, the better you'll do and the safer you'll be. I'm still new here, some may have seen my intro post already. If not here's the quick info:
The scale at the gym last night said 196 but I'm not sure how accurate that scale is as I still wear the size 32 or 33 jeans that I've worn since I was mid 180#s. I need to find a scale that's accurate that I can use first thing in the am and not at night at the gym, if anyone has recommendations. The ones with batteries that I've used tend to be erratic when the batteries get old. That being said, maybe my summer indulging and the stress and life changes I've been dealing with the past 8 months has packed a couple more #s on than I thought. I can say for sure that my diet wasn't great. Highest my weight has been was 192 after I did a cylce of 3wks DMZ/6wks (one wk overlap) of Havoc (Epistane) during a lean bulk/recomp. And I know... two methyls. I was protecting my liver and drinking a shit ton of water. Slight BP elevation and some back pumps a couple times but no sides otherwise. That being said, I wouldn't run two again. I knew the risk of damage to the liver, but looking back, I think I could have made the same gains with one of the compounds. I added about 12-15 pounds and stayed in the same waist size, slightly leaner than when I started. Bodyfat% no idea, ordered calipers to get a better handle that, but I know I want to cut some bf for sure prior to starting anything. I guess I need to add some more cardio other than my 10 minute warm up before lifting. This will likely be the stairmaster and the Torque TANK prowler. Might also incorporate some kettlebell work/battle rope circuits. I can already hear the curse words...
Diet will be basic and clean. I like to stick with the KISS approach, or the meat and potatoes if you will. I find that the old fashion basics work best for me especially with my diet. Over complicating things just adds too many variables to think about. Staples in my diet will be chicken, lean beef, sweet potatoes, brown rice and oats with some occasional wheat wraps, as well whole grain waffles w/ breakfast. Fats will come from PB, almonds and almond butter and avocados if the sum bitches are on sale... I love me some guacamole (no salt). I just track macros. PB is a fat sources, I don't add the few grams of protein from that. Beef is a protein source, I don't add the little bit of fat that might be left as I'll be buying 92-98% lean beef. So I wont be SUPER strict. I'll figure out what I need to eat in terms of net macros each day and figure out my portions from there. I'm going to try something I haven't before, and get all, or the majority of my carbs in in the few 2-3 meals. Leaving the last 2-3 meals being low carb (final meal being no carb). In the past, although I made good lean gains, my carbs were spread out through all meals but the last one. I feel like this may have prevented me from being as lean as I could have been. As far as the macro set up, I'm not sure if ill go higher fat, or lower fat, with the appropriate ratio to carbs. I have to look back on my last diet records and see how exactly I structured things.
Training - heavy. I incorporate weak point training in to my schedule (extra sets, added movements, etc). For example I hit my rear delts first, and last on shoulder days. I do shrugs on shoulder days, and few more shrugs on leg days. All my compound movements I go heavier and/or do more sets. Rep ranges are in the 5-8 range. Final sets are 3-5 to near failure. Isolation movements I tend to stick to 6-12 rep range depending on the muscle group. All sets are near failure, final set is to absolute failure with a couple assisted reps when possible (I train solo 99% of the time) to really finish things off. If its a movement that isn't one handed like DB preacher curls, allowing me to assist the weight up myself, I'll squeeze out half reps if I can and then resort to a couple dropsets.
Now that the nitty gritty is out there, I'll start by saying I'M NOT READY TO START A CYCLE. My diet isn't in check and dialed in yet and I'm not going to skimp here and end up unhappy with my results because I was lazy with my diet. I'm also working to get my strength up a bit more and get my body comp back to where it was or close to it first. I want to start planning this out now though. I want to learn anything and everything I can prior to poking any vials. This is my first rodeo, there's things I don't know, I don't know how I will respond, and I want to make sure I have my T’s cross, and I's dotted. I believe if you make the decision to use AAS, then you owe it to yourself to do your homework, do it right and get the most out of it in as healthy of a way as possible. Going in to it in a hurry, without the smarts about what you're doing, I think, is setting yourself up for potential regrets. I want to get the most I can out of this experience. I'm not getting hasty about it, I'm in no rush but ready to start planning and soaking up the info.
Currently, the plan for this eventual cycle, my first AAS cycle, is simple. Test. No added substances, not over complicating things. No trying to bite off more than I can chew. Test prop to be exact. I have some Red gear on hand and those items are as follows:
-Test Prop x8
-Aromasin x2
-Nolva x1
-Anavar x1 (I may add this in depending on how things go on just the test)
I think this should be sufficient for the immediate concerns, but I do not feel like this covers everything however so feedback is appreciated. I plan on picking up some clomid as well. Outside of the gear, I will be making a shopping list of support supplements for general health and protection. I know the basics for liver and BP health, and cardio support, but if there are items you think are worth getting please let me know.
Why did I decide on this for a cycle? Because test. I believe test should be included in all AAS cycles. I also believe that if you've never dabbled with something, it makes no sense to pile on multiple things. If you experience sides, how are you to determine what is causing it? Which is why the var has a big question mark. If all goes well with the test, maybe I'll run it. If not, I'll hang on to it for a rainy day. Why test prop? Because I have had it embedded in my mind that you won’t bloat up as much with the shorter ester. I know test is test and many many people believe that the bloat is caused by lack of AI and diet, but it’s still imprinted in my thought process. I know this means more pinnings and everyone says it can suck but... I think if you choose to use AAS, pinning is part of the game and a price you pay when you make this decision. Will I go back on this and decide frequent pinnings suck balls? Yea, I very well might. But I also believe that determining the difference between prop and say, enenthate, is negligible, is going to come down to seeing for myself
My initial uncertainty is test dosing and cycle length. I understand esters and half lifes, I know longer esters take longer to kick in to high gear, and longer to clear the body, and some people kickstart those. My current intention is 12 weeks of Test Prop. Dosing, I've always understand that 500mg/wk is the ideal dose for test. Specifically test alone. Recently I've been seeing more test cycles being ran at 400/wk and I'm wondering if 500 of prop is totally necessary. I know these can be pretty anecdotal and dependent the quality of gear and the individual. The prop is 100mg/mL so 400 would be easier to measure out - 1cc each shot rather than having to pull that extra .25mL, but its it’ll make all the difference then that’s what I’ll do. What say you? Is 500 vs 400 that much more advisable? Is 400 running it a little too low for optimal blood levels?
I have other questions, and I’m sure as time goes on I'll come up with more, but I'll save them and ask them when the topic comes up. (ie AI time, timing to stop AI, PCT start, SERM usage (one or both), and potential gyno sides and treatment). I will say, when I was younger I developed the puffy nips at an early age. Mild pubertal gyno? Maybe? Regardless, it makes me a bit more neurotic about the gyno side effect than some. Since this is a test cycle, any gyno side would be estrogen caused, having a suicide AI makes me more at ease about it since there’s no rebound, but nonetheless, still a concern for me.
Again, sorry for the very long read, I hope some of you were kind enough and patient enough to read through it and to those who did, thank you.
What’s up everybody. My initial purpose for this thread is to just get the gears turning, and start the relationship with you all prior to closing on the my first pinnings. From here on out, I'll be welcoming any feedback and criticism, advice on all areas, suggestions, questions and comments, as well likely asking plenty of questions myself. I plan to have a log going once things take off to for my own reference and for the hell of it. As a newb to these boards, and to AAS, I don't want to be one of the people that comes in here and says "hey bros I'm starting a cycle tomorrow what do you all think?" without KNOWING they have all their ducks in a row. This will be my first cycle, and while I feel I'm pretty knowledgeable, I know there's still a lot I don't know. The way I see it, the better you prepare, the better you'll do and the safer you'll be. I'm still new here, some may have seen my intro post already. If not here's the quick info:
ek5.56 said:
The scale at the gym last night said 196 but I'm not sure how accurate that scale is as I still wear the size 32 or 33 jeans that I've worn since I was mid 180#s. I need to find a scale that's accurate that I can use first thing in the am and not at night at the gym, if anyone has recommendations. The ones with batteries that I've used tend to be erratic when the batteries get old. That being said, maybe my summer indulging and the stress and life changes I've been dealing with the past 8 months has packed a couple more #s on than I thought. I can say for sure that my diet wasn't great. Highest my weight has been was 192 after I did a cylce of 3wks DMZ/6wks (one wk overlap) of Havoc (Epistane) during a lean bulk/recomp. And I know... two methyls. I was protecting my liver and drinking a shit ton of water. Slight BP elevation and some back pumps a couple times but no sides otherwise. That being said, I wouldn't run two again. I knew the risk of damage to the liver, but looking back, I think I could have made the same gains with one of the compounds. I added about 12-15 pounds and stayed in the same waist size, slightly leaner than when I started. Bodyfat% no idea, ordered calipers to get a better handle that, but I know I want to cut some bf for sure prior to starting anything. I guess I need to add some more cardio other than my 10 minute warm up before lifting. This will likely be the stairmaster and the Torque TANK prowler. Might also incorporate some kettlebell work/battle rope circuits. I can already hear the curse words...
Diet will be basic and clean. I like to stick with the KISS approach, or the meat and potatoes if you will. I find that the old fashion basics work best for me especially with my diet. Over complicating things just adds too many variables to think about. Staples in my diet will be chicken, lean beef, sweet potatoes, brown rice and oats with some occasional wheat wraps, as well whole grain waffles w/ breakfast. Fats will come from PB, almonds and almond butter and avocados if the sum bitches are on sale... I love me some guacamole (no salt). I just track macros. PB is a fat sources, I don't add the few grams of protein from that. Beef is a protein source, I don't add the little bit of fat that might be left as I'll be buying 92-98% lean beef. So I wont be SUPER strict. I'll figure out what I need to eat in terms of net macros each day and figure out my portions from there. I'm going to try something I haven't before, and get all, or the majority of my carbs in in the few 2-3 meals. Leaving the last 2-3 meals being low carb (final meal being no carb). In the past, although I made good lean gains, my carbs were spread out through all meals but the last one. I feel like this may have prevented me from being as lean as I could have been. As far as the macro set up, I'm not sure if ill go higher fat, or lower fat, with the appropriate ratio to carbs. I have to look back on my last diet records and see how exactly I structured things.
Training - heavy. I incorporate weak point training in to my schedule (extra sets, added movements, etc). For example I hit my rear delts first, and last on shoulder days. I do shrugs on shoulder days, and few more shrugs on leg days. All my compound movements I go heavier and/or do more sets. Rep ranges are in the 5-8 range. Final sets are 3-5 to near failure. Isolation movements I tend to stick to 6-12 rep range depending on the muscle group. All sets are near failure, final set is to absolute failure with a couple assisted reps when possible (I train solo 99% of the time) to really finish things off. If its a movement that isn't one handed like DB preacher curls, allowing me to assist the weight up myself, I'll squeeze out half reps if I can and then resort to a couple dropsets.
Now that the nitty gritty is out there, I'll start by saying I'M NOT READY TO START A CYCLE. My diet isn't in check and dialed in yet and I'm not going to skimp here and end up unhappy with my results because I was lazy with my diet. I'm also working to get my strength up a bit more and get my body comp back to where it was or close to it first. I want to start planning this out now though. I want to learn anything and everything I can prior to poking any vials. This is my first rodeo, there's things I don't know, I don't know how I will respond, and I want to make sure I have my T’s cross, and I's dotted. I believe if you make the decision to use AAS, then you owe it to yourself to do your homework, do it right and get the most out of it in as healthy of a way as possible. Going in to it in a hurry, without the smarts about what you're doing, I think, is setting yourself up for potential regrets. I want to get the most I can out of this experience. I'm not getting hasty about it, I'm in no rush but ready to start planning and soaking up the info.
Currently, the plan for this eventual cycle, my first AAS cycle, is simple. Test. No added substances, not over complicating things. No trying to bite off more than I can chew. Test prop to be exact. I have some Red gear on hand and those items are as follows:
-Test Prop x8
-Aromasin x2
-Nolva x1
-Anavar x1 (I may add this in depending on how things go on just the test)
I think this should be sufficient for the immediate concerns, but I do not feel like this covers everything however so feedback is appreciated. I plan on picking up some clomid as well. Outside of the gear, I will be making a shopping list of support supplements for general health and protection. I know the basics for liver and BP health, and cardio support, but if there are items you think are worth getting please let me know.
Why did I decide on this for a cycle? Because test. I believe test should be included in all AAS cycles. I also believe that if you've never dabbled with something, it makes no sense to pile on multiple things. If you experience sides, how are you to determine what is causing it? Which is why the var has a big question mark. If all goes well with the test, maybe I'll run it. If not, I'll hang on to it for a rainy day. Why test prop? Because I have had it embedded in my mind that you won’t bloat up as much with the shorter ester. I know test is test and many many people believe that the bloat is caused by lack of AI and diet, but it’s still imprinted in my thought process. I know this means more pinnings and everyone says it can suck but... I think if you choose to use AAS, pinning is part of the game and a price you pay when you make this decision. Will I go back on this and decide frequent pinnings suck balls? Yea, I very well might. But I also believe that determining the difference between prop and say, enenthate, is negligible, is going to come down to seeing for myself
My initial uncertainty is test dosing and cycle length. I understand esters and half lifes, I know longer esters take longer to kick in to high gear, and longer to clear the body, and some people kickstart those. My current intention is 12 weeks of Test Prop. Dosing, I've always understand that 500mg/wk is the ideal dose for test. Specifically test alone. Recently I've been seeing more test cycles being ran at 400/wk and I'm wondering if 500 of prop is totally necessary. I know these can be pretty anecdotal and dependent the quality of gear and the individual. The prop is 100mg/mL so 400 would be easier to measure out - 1cc each shot rather than having to pull that extra .25mL, but its it’ll make all the difference then that’s what I’ll do. What say you? Is 500 vs 400 that much more advisable? Is 400 running it a little too low for optimal blood levels?
I have other questions, and I’m sure as time goes on I'll come up with more, but I'll save them and ask them when the topic comes up. (ie AI time, timing to stop AI, PCT start, SERM usage (one or both), and potential gyno sides and treatment). I will say, when I was younger I developed the puffy nips at an early age. Mild pubertal gyno? Maybe? Regardless, it makes me a bit more neurotic about the gyno side effect than some. Since this is a test cycle, any gyno side would be estrogen caused, having a suicide AI makes me more at ease about it since there’s no rebound, but nonetheless, still a concern for me.
Again, sorry for the very long read, I hope some of you were kind enough and patient enough to read through it and to those who did, thank you.
