Best way to use T4 + AAS

Lots of valuable knowledge and sound wisdom in this thread.... Grateful for all your input, particularly Gymrattt and MM.

Can this type of bloodwork be done only through an endo, or is there a way to locate a lab locally that can order this panel?
Double x, if your in LA, I recommend Dr Rand McCain he is specializing in hrt in sports medicine. He has over 50 videos on YouTube called "ask the doc" which cover nearly all hrt questions all related steroid questions in expert detail and he is cool as fuck!!!

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Good insight from one of my best friends in the sport former IFBB pro and steroid guru Dave Palumbo on hgh , chronic hgh use killing beta cells causing diabetes that's why it is best to use only on the day's trained to give the pancreas a break guy's plus hgh doses, hgh desensitization , also t/3 and t/4, insulin, insulin resistance, and blood work, enjoy https://youtu.be/ztdUEZ7GA9Q

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Good insight from one of my best friends in the sport former IFBB pro and steroid guru Dave Palumbo on hgh , chronic hgh use killing beta cells causing diabetes that's why it is best to use only on the day's trained to give the pancreas a break guy's plus hgh doses, hgh desensitization , also t/3 and t/4, insulin, insulin resistance, and blood work, enjoy https://youtu.be/ztdUEZ7GA9Q

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So if using hgh at 3.3iu of generic basically an anti-aging dose.
Should this be used only on workout days?

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I have done a ton of reading on HGH in preparation to use and have not read anything like this. I sure would like some more insight on this from the pros on here.
 
Big Dogg, 2iu is all that's allowed by law to be prescribed for hrt /anti aging because clinical studies show organ (heart) enlargement over the clinical dose of 2iu, obviously the higher the dose(bb or cosmetic,) the increased risk of enlargement. 3 iu is right on the borderline before trouble arises from what I see on heart echo's, a yearly heart echo is advised if taking above the clinical dose to track any ventricle enlargement,if no issues are shown you should be able take 3ui with no problems. I have my patients take hgh on a 5 day on 2 off scheduled to help with the desensitization and give the pancreas a break. My bb patients use my schedule of pinning on the day's trained for even better help with desensitization.(plus it last longer) The brothers running massive doses are brought in every 3 months for a complete heart /and overall health examination because lifestyle also plays a major factor in heart health ( smoking, drugs, diet, alcohol and hereditary history including heart disease from high sugar and carbohydrates consumption). With extreme physiological doses the bb must carefully debate the risk to benefit factor and most decide on their health and family first, I have some enlargement myself and keep a close eye on it still taking hgh and heavy lifting, a yearly echo is at least advisable with above clinical doses.

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Big Dogg, 2iu is all that's allowed by law to be prescribed for hrt /anti aging because clinical studies show organ (heart) enlargement over the clinical dose of 2iu, obviously the higher the dose(bb or cosmetic,) the increased risk of enlargement. 3 iu is right on the borderline before trouble arises from what I see on heart echo's, a yearly heart echo is advised if taking above the clinical dose to track any ventricle enlargement,if no issues are shown you should be able take 3ui with no problems. I have my patients take hgh on a 5 day on 2 off scheduled to help with the desensitization and give the pancreas a break. My bb patients use my schedule of pinning on the day's trained for even better help with desensitization.(plus it last longer) The brothers running massive doses are brought in every 3 months for a complete heart /and overall health examination because lifestyle also plays a major factor in heart health ( smoking, drugs, diet, alcohol and hereditary history including heart disease from high sugar and carbohydrates consumption). With extreme physiological doses the bb must carefully debate the risk to benefit factor and most decide on their health and family first, I have some enlargement myself and keep a close eye on it still taking hgh and heavy lifting, a yearly echo is at least advisable with above clinical doses.

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Excellent advice, as always. You always seem to be my voice of reason brother.

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I have done a ton of reading on HGH in preparation to use and have not read anything like this. I sure would like some more insight on this from the pros on here.
Brother!, chronic hgh( high dosing) use will eventually cause the beta cells to be destroyed and that is completely permanent and cannot be reversed as the pancreas cannot recover , eventually causing diabetes. Also high doses will enlarge the organs as IGF-1 will attach to receptors throughout the entire body, up to 3iu should be safe, just don't take it every day and cycle off letting the pancreas restore natural production and keep beta cells normal.

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Excellent advice, as always. You always seem to be my voice of reason brother.

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Solocom,! good to hear from you again brother, and thanks for the consideration, anything I can do to help you brother just Holla, hope your health is well from the last time we spoke??

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Solocom,! good to hear from you again brother, and thanks for the consideration, anything I can do to help you brother just Holla, hope your health is well from the last time we spoke??

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Yes sir. I took three months off and got my blood work done. Everything was within normal ranges except AST and ALT, which were about 4-6 points over. That's the lowest they've been in years though. Cholesterol was also the best it's been since I can remember. Also got on Lisinopril to reduce the load on the heart, and added cardio in at least 1 hour every week (that number is going up). Now I just started low dose test with npp, dhb, and 2iu HGH. I might bump up the HGH to 3iu 5 days a week for the duration of the cycle, but with slightly dilated cardiomyopathy and ejection fraction of 53%, I'm going to be much more conservative than in the past. I'm of course always open to any thoughts you have. Thanks for checking in on me brother!

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Brother!, chronic hgh( high dosing) use will eventually cause the beta cells to be destroyed and that is completely permanent and cannot be reversed as the pancreas cannot recover , eventually causing diabetes. Also high doses will enlarge the organs as IGF-1 will attach to receptors throughout the entire body, up to 3iu should be safe, just don't take it every day and cycle off letting the pancreas restore natural production and keep beta cells normal.

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that is what I was planning on doing. 2iu 5 on 2 off.

I also read a study (I will try to find it again) that the professional athletes heart enlarges even without any drugs.
 
Yes sir. I took three months off and got my blood work done. Everything was within normal ranges except AST and ALT, which were about 4-6 points over. That's the lowest they've been in years though. Cholesterol was also the best it's been since I can remember. Also got on Lisinopril to reduce the load on the heart, and added cardio in at least 1 hour every week (that number is going up). Now I just started low dose test with npp, dhb, and 2iu HGH. I might bump up the HGH to 3iu 5 days a week for the duration of the cycle, but with slightly dilated cardiomyopathy and ejection fraction of 53%, I'm going to be much more conservative than in the past. I'm of course always open to any thoughts you have. Thanks for checking in on me brother!

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Awesome brother!, glad to hear that you are doing well!, I also have a low ejection fraction(lower than yours) and I'm still a beast in the gym so keep the positive attitude bro, I personally don't take an ace inhibitor because of the liver strain, I use carvedilol a beta blocker proven to be strengthen the ejection fraction and no increase in liver enzymes. Soon there will be a procedure involving stem cells which will regrow cardiac tissue and restore the heart to normal, just needing FDA approval, already being used in other countries. A Ketogenic diet will ultimately be the best option for anyone who has chronic illness and especially the heart, cholesterol is caused by sugar and carbohydrates not saturated fat like the government has been promoting, go low carb and research ketosis by Dr Eric Berg on YouTube he is an exceptional Dr, always use omega 3 and co q 10 and, cold pressed garlic tablets, again glad your doing well brother!!!

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that is what I was planning on doing. 2iu 5 on 2 off.

I also read a study (I will try to find it again) that the professional athletes heart enlarges even without any drugs.
Your absolutely correct, the heart is a muscle and will enlarge slightly more in an athlete, but when you review the echo from chronic drug abuse it's not comparable. Dallas McCarver's autopsy revealed a heart twice the normal size of a weight training athlete, I knew him personally and won't disrespect him or his family by revealing his doses but they were considerable, leave it at that!!!

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Detailed information on hgh and insulins effect on beta cells, and I was right about metformin causing renal (kidney) function problems in all the blood work that I see!!, very informative video!. I'm hoping to educate myself on basil insulin for my patients, medical science is always evolving,! https://youtu.be/jiuZ9Jd89Jw

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Changed your cycle again????????

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I am not set on using the T4 esp since there is no concrete protocol for it with aas... And i still prefer inj winstrol, but love what var does.

After advice from you and someone else, i think i was gonna shoot for a 20 week run with Test P NPP + DHB first 10 weeks, and just test p + primo at 600-800 for the last 10.

Figured this way i can transition from a lean bulk into a summer cut.

Is my reasoning wrong?
 
I am not set on using the T4 esp since there is no concrete protocol for it with aas... And i still prefer inj winstrol, but love what var does.

After advice from you and someone else, i think i was gonna shoot for a 20 week run with Test P NPP + DHB first 10 weeks, and just test p + primo at 600-800 for the last 10.

Figured this way i can transition from a lean bulk into a summer cut.

Is my reasoning wrong?
No, brol, as you know one of my favorite cycles is npp and dhb, just the primo has to be acetate in that cycle design because the enanthate ester will take 4 weeks to kick in, so there would be a 4 week void before onset or the compound, with the acetate pinning on week 9 would get an immediate dose to the receptors by week 10 with no void. 20 weeks is a long run still with no blood work from the last long cycle , my gut instinct tells me that you won't wait the entire 90 days off (may 27) , Var is harder on the kidneys due to the fact that 80% is metabolized by the kidneys to 20% liver, my brother your rolling the dice with your health from years of no blood work and multiple long cycles, your liver was stressed last cycle and you mentioned high cholesterol, winstrol oral from last cycle reduces HDL to single digits and your planning on more orals with low HDL, that's is a heart attack waiting to happen bro!. All orals will dramatically impact your cholesterol. I'm not going to preach at you because you won't get your bloods done and that is obvious, that is your decision, but I'm literally speechless! I just hope you take the necessary steps to learn how to be a better bb,being a smart bb will make you a better bb. You are setting a bad example for others. EXPERIENCED members understand the dangers of cycling year in year out with no blood work. I won't mention it again, I tried to get through to you. I Hope everything works out well for you friend, Hit me up if I can help!, regards

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Your absolutely correct, the heart is a muscle and will enlarge slightly more in an athlete, but when you review the echo from chronic drug abuse it's not comparable. Dallas McCarver's autopsy revealed a heart twice the normal size of a weight training athlete, I knew him personally and won't disrespect him or his family by revealing his doses but they were considerable, leave it at that!!!

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the one word that sticks out is abuse. What would your definition of abuse be in AAS. I would think it would be the guy running 1gram of test along with other compounds with no end.
 
the one word that sticks out is abuse. What would your definition of abuse be in AAS. I would think it would be the guy running 1gram of test along with other compounds with no end.
Abuse can be defined multiple ways!, I'm a former IFBB pro and now a cardiologist and not a psychologist!. Believe my when I say that I have seen it all from both sides as a pro and a physician. Your correct about high dosages and running with no end, is that called abuse!, possibly, I have been in the bb sport for 20 plus years and I have seen men and women prosper and lives destroyed by Steroids both physically, emotionally and legally. That is why I'm here on the forums to provide guidance to the next generation of the brotherhood, knowledge is the ultimate advice to become a great bodybuilder . Brother there is a member in this thread who is currently on 1750mg of test, and I don't know if he is addicted or just isn't knowledgeable on gear and that is why I'm here to offer my knowledge and guidance from my experience and medical education (2 Masters degrees). Many bb are mentally addicted and no matter how big they are they will always see themselves differently from the insecurities in their character!. I can offer my help but I can't make someone follow my advice. Ultimately it takes a life changing event for an addict to make that change!! take in consideration all the multiple compounds and high doses for extended periods of time, the cost involved, putting gear before other personal responsibilities in life and replace the word Steroids with alcohol or cocaine and it would be called addiction! , no question!!

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Thanks for your insight! It will be nice to hear from someone who has been there but also has the actual medical knowledge.
 
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