Best way to use T4 + AAS

[xxplosive]

I don't like T3 bc its just too powerful... Want to use T4 on my next cycle to help cut up.

What compounds does it work best with, what is a safe dosage, and how long can i run it for safely so I don't risk shit-dicking my thyroid?

 

[BiggerPenis73]

Based on your profile picture and the fact that T3 is too strong for you, I would discourage the use of fat burning supps entirely.

 

[Roc]

Gh plus t4

 

[Thehogstwrs]

I can't even tell I'm taking anything. Doing 25mg t3 and 112mg t4

 

[Solocom]

Gh plus t4

What protocol do you recommend Roc?

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[xxplosive]

Based on your profile picture and the fact that T3 is too strong for you, I would discourage the use of fat burning supps entirely.

Thank you man... The avatar is 2+ years ago and im not quite as lean. Hoping to get back and then some.

Was thinking of Test P, NPP, DHB + Var + T4

 

[01dragonslayer]

Gh plus t4

From the research I have done this is a killer combo.

 

[01dragonslayer]

I don't like T3 bc its just too powerful... Want to use T4 on my next cycle to help cut up.

What compounds does it work best with, what is a safe dosage, and how long can i run it for safely so I don't risk shit-dicking my thyroid?

MM is your man for this.

 

[Sharks1989]

MM is your man for this.

Agreed with dragon, MM and Roc know alot about t4 with GH. I'm currently running 3.3 iu a day GH and adding t4 with it.

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[xxplosive]

I know about T4 and gh... Not sure if gh is an option right now.

But any insight on with gh or with aas would be appreciated.

For example, if running with npp and calorie surplus, is it reasonable to expect fat mitigation and improved protein synthesis?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

I know about T4 and gh... Not sure if gh is an option right now.

But any insight on with gh or with aas would be appreciated.

For example, if running with npp and calorie surplus, is it reasonable to expect fat mitigation and improved protein synthesis?

If u not on hgh, t3 at 25mcg with work with suffient gear and food. I have used 50mcg I have used t3 at 25mcg and 50mcg for 6 months straight.
I have used bulkers and stayed with abs.
T3 will not eat away muscle like people think with enough gear.
Test 1gram wk, deca 600-....wk, Anadrol 50mg a day and even some trest and I lost body fat and was prepped 45 days out from 5% cut!!!

Test, tren plus t3 best fastest way. And t3 better with tren and no hgh!!

Hgh + t4
No hgh it's hard to gauge the amount if t4 u would need because it converts as needed!!!

Another thing, t4 or t3 either, they work much better with gear or not, if u pushing to be more active. The extra activity really make metabolism kick in. Meaning add alot of activity into your whole week every week on. Cardio and oxygen delivery are increased to muscle too...

T3 works syntergesic with enough gear and u can not only lose fat, but eat more and gain more muscle!!!

When it kicks in it really does.

Start slow with t3, 25mcg maybe too much at first, monitor heart rate, go up slowly and I wouldn't push further than 25mcg to 50mcg t3 and just run duration, then come off slowly same way as on in reverse. Use iodine between wrist thyro support after off plus other thyroid support supps.

Don't be afraid to eat more because u will need it!! But play by look in mirror muscle fullness and fat loss!!!

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[xxplosive]

If u not on hgh, t3 at 25mcg with work with suffient gear and food. I have used 50mcg I have used t3 at 25mcg and 50mcg for 6 months straight.
I have used bulkers and stayed with abs.
T3 will not eat away muscle like people think with enough gear.
Test 1gram wk, deca 600-....wk, Anadrol 50mg a day and even some trest and I lost body fat and was prepped 45 days out from 5% cut!!!

Test, tren plus t3 best fastest way. And t3 better with tren and no hgh!!

Hgh + t4
No hgh it's hard to gauge the amount if t4 u would need because it converts as needed!!!

Another thing, t4 or t3 either, they work much better with gear or not, if u pushing to be more active. The extra activity really make metabolism kick in. Meaning add alot of activity into your whole week every week on. Cardio and oxygen delivery are increased to muscle too...

T3 works syntergesic with enough gear and u can not only lose fat, but eat more and gain more muscle!!!

When it kicks in it really does.

Start slow with t3, 25mcg maybe too much at first, monitor heart rate, go up slowly and I wouldn't push further than 25mcg to 50mcg t3 and just run duration, then come off slowly same way as on in reverse. Use iodine between wrist thyro support after off plus other thyroid support supps.

Don't be afraid to eat more because u will need it!! But play by look in mirror muscle fullness and fat loss!!!

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Can you give me some insight on T4 + AAS?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Can you give me some insight on T4 + AAS?

Result is more unpredictable. I never used t4 without hgh!!!
T4 is made by Thyroid and converted into t3. T3 is the active hormone!
We all convert different and it depends on lots of things if t4 will convert or not.
Unless on hgh I often heard it's waste of time. But I never tried it.
On hgh 100mcg t4 works great in AM with hgh
On only gear I would advise u start with either 25mcg t3 only or Novothyral and add more t3 if needed... first dose should be half though so around 10-12.5mcg t3 to be safe.

T4 can take days to weeks to notice difference without hgh. T4 I would guess start at 50mcg 3 days up to 100mcg then week by week go up 25-50mcg. Stop where u feel ok. 150-200mcg should be enough.

T4 is given to hypothyroid patients. It's upped slowly and their TSH is checked and t4 is upped until TSH is low normal range. From there if symtoms go away great if not other test may be done to see if t3 is necessary in conjunction.

We all convert different so t4 is harder to say than t3 even though t4 is safer it's not as effective without hgh except for hypothyroidism

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[Gymrattt1]

If u not on hgh, t3 at 25mcg with work with suffient gear and food. I have used 50mcg I have used t3 at 25mcg and 50mcg for 6 months straight.
I have used bulkers and stayed with abs.
T3 will not eat away muscle like people think with enough gear.
Test 1gram wk, deca 600-....wk, Anadrol 50mg a day and even some trest and I lost body fat and was prepped 45 days out from 5% cut!!!

Test, tren plus t3 best fastest way. And t3 better with tren and no hgh!!

Hgh + t4
No hgh it's hard to gauge the amount if t4 u would need because it converts as needed!!!

Another thing, t4 or t3 either, they work much better with gear or not, if u pushing to be more active. The extra activity really make metabolism kick in. Meaning add alot of activity into your whole week every week on. Cardio and oxygen delivery are increased to muscle too...

T3 works syntergesic with enough gear and u can not only lose fat, but eat more and gain more muscle!!!

When it kicks in it really does.

Start slow with t3, 25mcg maybe too much at first, monitor heart rate, go up slowly and I wouldn't push further than 25mcg to 50mcg t3 and just run duration, then come off slowly same way as on in reverse. Use iodine between wrist thyro support after off plus other thyroid support supps.

Don't be afraid to eat more because u will need it!! But play by look in mirror muscle fullness and fat loss!!!

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Brother!, excellent point regarding the iodine!, the body uses it to regulate thyroid levels naturally, the 3 and 4 numbers in t3/t4 are the numbers of iodine molecules,. Most athletes having a shitty diet have a deficiency in iodine and have thyroid issues, Himalayan sea salt has 500mcg /per gram of iodine and is excellent for normalizing iodine levels . I agree also with your t3 protocol for administration and if a 50 mcg dose is not exceeded an athlete can use effectively to lose fat while lean bulking!. Taking a higher dose of t3 will result in muscle loss (metabolized stored muscle) even if you are consuming enough calories the dreaded flat look is common with many users. High dose t3 can result in permanent shut down of the thyroid. Since t4 is 5x less bioavailable its a safer choice for a inexperienced user, t4 if administered with proper protocol makes the body more efficient at burning fat naturally without natural suppression in conjunction with iodine. I don't give advice on thyroid medications without blood work because everyone is very different when you are talking about the thyroid, there are multiple issues and variables that factor in thyroid functions. Blood work is absolutely needed for proper use of thyroid medication. Brother you are an experienced user with excellent knowledge who gets frequent blood work protocol, an inexperienced user with current thyroid problems can cause permanent damage and death using t3/t4. I've lost 6 friends in the bb community from insulin, dnp, and t3/t4 in the last decade so I don't give advice for a beginner without blood work. A ordinary family physician will test your TSH and T3, but an endocrinologist will administrator a complete panel of TSH,T3, T4, free T3, RT-3, thyroid antibodies and T3 to reverse (rt-3) ratio which is the most crucial. Reverse (rt-3) blocks the conversion of t4 to t3 called i/c-th conversion (anti-thyriod antibody conversion factor) . Proper thyroid supplementation by a MD will start with a (evaluation protocol) of thyroid, insulin, cortisol and RT-3 diagnosis because of synergies between them. T4 use should be properly evaluated with high levels of cortisol, c-reactive protein, TNF, Alfa, also Wilson's syndrome can be extremely complicated without a doctor's supervision . A beta - agonist cannot be used as it will result in a burnout of the adrenals resulting in a (loss of muscle and gain in fat) , also calcium and iron supplements including foods that are high in both cannot be used 2 hours before administration by blocking t4. Most athletes using T4 with Steroids must be aware of the elevated cortisol production from long cycles, also increasing T4 levels increases SHBG which is counter productive using gear. Most athletes increasing their nutrition knowledge with fasted cardio can effectively reduce fat without having to resort to drugs, and clen usually can get the job done. Unsupervised t3/t4 administration has a high risk to reward factor , not being experienced with thyroid (t3 /t4) medications can do more harm than good. Blood work is the first thing that has to be done. Upon a proper diagnosis of a healthy thyroid, a protocol of t4 with iodine and a beta blocker (metoprolol) is the best and safest option for using t4, the beta blocker will reduce the heart rate and ease the load on the heart, 100mg /day will keep your resting heart rate below 60 and lower blood pressure , a resting heart rate of above 85 is a serious problem associated with thyroid medication and the heart rate can reach 200 bpm during physical activity resulting in possible death . Any athlete wanting to administrator thyroid medication should be smart enough to complete a diagnosis from a MD, the thyroid is extremely complicated and has many variables which are completely different from one person to another and must be evaluated upon a complete panel not just T3 and TSH. A member pm me just recently having taken a year off from gear because he screwed up his thyroid and it's shut down completely also having 160+ liver enzymes and 50% reduced kidney function running gear and T3 for 2 years non stop with no regards to blood work and all could have been prevented with a 6 month blood work protocol, now he may be screwed up for life in regards to his thyroid and kidney function. I won't reveal his identity being a regarded member and respect for his privacy, his trust in my opinion was respectfully appreciated . Ultimately an athlete can increase their knowledge in the physiology of thyroid medication but without having proper blood work analysis done you would be administering blindly and permanent damage can result. Most answers can be defined with blood work protocol.

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[Gymrattt1]

Gh plus t4

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[Gymrattt1]

Gh plus t4

ROC!, I gotta give a shout out to a brother who gets his blood work done every 3 months! That's discipline baby!

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[xxplosive]

Lots of valuable knowledge and sound wisdom in this thread.... Grateful for all your input, particularly Gymrattt and MM.

Can this type of bloodwork be done only through an endo, or is there a way to locate a lab locally that can order this panel?

 

[Muscle mechanic]

Brother!, excellent point regarding the iodine!, the body uses it to regulate thyroid levels naturally, the 3 and 4 numbers in t3/t4 are the numbers of iodine molecules,. Most athletes having a shitty diet have a deficiency in iodine and have thyroid issues, Himalayan sea salt has 500mcg /per gram of iodine and is excellent for normalizing iodine levels . I agree also with your t3 protocol for administration and if a 50 mcg dose is not exceeded an athlete can use effectively to lose fat while lean bulking!. Taking a higher dose of t3 will result in muscle loss (metabolized stored muscle) even if you are consuming enough calories the dreaded flat look is common with many users. High dose t3 can result in permanent shut down of the thyroid. Since t4 is 5x less bioavailable its a safer choice for a inexperienced user, t4 if administered with proper protocol makes the body more efficient at burning fat naturally without natural suppression in conjunction with iodine. I don't give advice on thyroid medications without blood work because everyone is very different when you are talking about the thyroid, there are multiple issues and variables that factor in thyroid functions. Blood work is absolutely needed for proper use of thyroid medication. Brother you are an experienced user with excellent knowledge who gets frequent blood work protocol, an inexperienced user with current thyroid problems can cause permanent damage and death using t3/t4. I've lost 6 friends in the bb community from insulin, dnp, and t3/t4 in the last decade so I don't give advice for a beginner without blood work. A ordinary family physician will test your TSH and T3, but an endocrinologist will administrator a complete panel of TSH,T3, T4, free T3, RT-3, thyroid antibodies and T3 to reverse (rt-3) ratio which is the most crucial. Reverse (rt-3) blocks the conversion of t4 to t3 called i/c-th conversion (anti-thyriod antibody conversion factor) . Proper thyroid supplementation by a MD will start with a (evaluation protocol) of thyroid, insulin, cortisol and RT-3 diagnosis because of synergies between them. T4 use should be properly evaluated with high levels of cortisol, c-reactive protein, TNF, Alfa, also Wilson's syndrome can be extremely complicated without a doctor's supervision . A beta - agonist cannot be used as it will result in a burnout of the adrenals resulting in a (loss of muscle and gain in fat) , also calcium and iron supplements including foods that are high in both cannot be used 2 hours before administration by blocking t4. Most athletes using T4 with Steroids must be ware of the cortisol effects on t4 from long cycles, also increasing T4 levels increases SHBG and cortisol which is counter productive using gear. Most athletes increasing their nutrition knowledge with fasted cardio can effectively reduce fat without having to resort to drugs, and clen usually can get the job done , unsupervised t3/t4 administration has a high risk to reward factor , not being experienced with thyroid (t3 /t4) medications can do more harm than good. Blood work is the first thing that has to be done. Upon a proper diagnosis of a healthy thyroid, a protocol of t4 with iodine and a beta blocker (metoprolol) is the best and safest option for using t4, the beta blocker will reduce the heart rate and ease the load on the heart, 100mg /day will keep your resting heart rate below 60, a resting heart rate of above 85 is a serious problem associated with thyroid medication and the heart rate can reach 200 bpm during physical activity resulting in possible death . Any athlete wanting to administrator thyroid medication should be smart enough to complete a diagnosis from a MD, the thyroid is extremely complicated and has many variables which are completely different from one person to another and must be evaluated upon a complete panel not just T3 and TSH. A member pm me just recently having taken a year off from gear because he screwed up his thyroid and it's shut down completely also having 160+ liver enzymes and 50% reduced kidney function running gear and T3 for 2 years non stop with no regards to blood work and all could have been prevented with a 6 month blood work protocol, now he may be screwed up for life in regards to his thyroid and kidney function. I won't reveal his identity being a regarded member and respect for his privacy, his trust in my opinion was respectfully appreciated . Ultimately an athlete can increase their knowledge in the physiology of thyroid medication but without having proper blood work analysis done you would be administering blindly and permanent damage can result. Most answers can be defined with blood work protocol.

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Now thank u very much!!!
We need your knowledge here!

I add in t4 with hgh when I feel suppressed thyroid and I check tsh and free t4 at the least. And yes, gear affects TBG along other things that block conversion. I have had it myself.

I have been on the edge of needing t4 replacement, my Dr been a little slow to do it and I am messing with things by using it behind his back. I get them retested in July with lipids.

I have tried to use Novothyral mix after doing do many times and my heart rate resting was 90-104 so I shut that down. It's very tricky for sure and being on just gear affects free t4 levels. Reverse t3 also can make difference in why we respond or not to t4!

I only used when I had suppression and mostly just while and from hgh plus gear. Tren really causes it too for myself

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[Gymrattt1]

Now thank u very much!!!
We need your knowledge here!

I add in t4 with hgh when I feel suppressed thyroid and I check tsh and free t4 at the least. And yes, gear affects TBG along other things that block conversion. I have had it myself.

I have been on the edge of needing t4 replacement, my Dr been a little slow to do it and I am messing with things by using it behind his back. I get them retested in July with lipids.

I have tried to use Novothyral mix after doing do many times and my heart rate resting was 90-104 so I shut that down. It's very tricky for sure and being on just gear affects free t4 levels. Reverse t3 also can make difference in why we respond or not to t4!

I only used when I had suppression and mostly just while and from hgh plus gear. Tren really causes it too for myself

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Excellent point again regarding the tren bro, I forgot to mention it before and yes it does the same thing to me , it effects my thyroid to much and I just don't think it will be in my medicine cabinet going forward. I take 12mg NOT mcg of iodine for healthy levels and my t3 stays perfect year round, as soon as I start tren it throws my thyroid out of whack, partly because of 80% of thyroxine is converted within the liver and kidneys and trenbolone effects both organs directly which factors into the equation. I'm not educated fully in endocrinology but pertaining to much of bodybuilding I have researched it extensively, and the thyroid being seriously complicated is an understatement.

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[Gymrattt1]

Lots of valuable knowledge and sound wisdom in this thread.... Grateful for all your input, particularly Gymrattt and MM.

Can this type of bloodwork be done only through an endo, or is there a way to locate a lab locally that can order this panel?

Bro, you're family doctor can order all those test, I can't speak for their specific knowledge on the thyroid and understanding reverse t3 results but an endocrinologist will specialize in those matters, if your doctor is qualified and your thyroid levels are on point, there won't be any need for a specialist. If your bloods are G2G, t4 will be the safer choice. Honesty with your physician is recommended on your gear usage, because ultimately you have to deal with the outcome!.

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