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Anyone had success using nandralone without dick problems?
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If u wanna see high free test on certain free test labs use deca.
My TRT uses the lab test for free test that I cannot have deca in system because free test will be too high!!
What I am saying here, proviron helps test be more active and deca does too!!!
The problem comes in the later when estro opens build up of progest, or just too much estro.... test high converts estro and Deca high with high test does even more. Deca aromatases at pretty good rate so estro problem too. Higher test makes deca aromatase more also.. than test at 300wk to Deca at 600wk estro Is worse with higher test to deca than lower, fact!!!
Trest ace will fix because it's all free!!! Wanted to be understood on this. Sufficient test is only needed for dick functions and more vs other will not counter act only things that will are mast, proviron, trest ace these will give more free test that make functions work if they don't estro and prolactin are out of whack!!
More testosterone will not counteract deca!! Lol! It will only make any other roid sides worse!!!!
More testosterone can only raise more free testosterone but there are other tricks to avoid aromatase that causes deca dick but also build of prolactin will slow thyroid and dick will die until addressed. Same with tren...
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My TRT uses the lab test for free test that I cannot have deca in system because free test will be too high!!
What I am saying here, proviron helps test be more active and deca does too!!!
The problem comes in the later when estro opens build up of progest, or just too much estro.... test high converts estro and Deca high with high test does even more. Deca aromatases at pretty good rate so estro problem too. Higher test makes deca aromatase more also.. than test at 300wk to Deca at 600wk estro Is worse with higher test to deca than lower, fact!!!
Trest ace will fix because it's all free!!! Wanted to be understood on this. Sufficient test is only needed for dick functions and more vs other will not counter act only things that will are mast, proviron, trest ace these will give more free test that make functions work if they don't estro and prolactin are out of whack!!
More testosterone will not counteract deca!! Lol! It will only make any other roid sides worse!!!!
More testosterone can only raise more free testosterone but there are other tricks to avoid aromatase that causes deca dick but also build of prolactin will slow thyroid and dick will die until addressed. Same with tren...
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Increase dopamine and you lower prolactin. Prolactin is high from nandrolone based aas. High prolactin can make it difficult to get a boner or at least a good one. Prolactin naturally goes up after you have an organism. That's why most guys have to take a break for a while. If you lower it you won't have to take as long a break and go again quicker. If you lower it too much though it can cause problems. Sort of a double edged sword. I don't know a ton about this stuff but I do know some...Keeping your hormones in check is basically a balancing act when you are running AAS, that's why so many people stress getting blood work to check and adjusting doses as necessary.
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Yeah for me I was fine for about 10-12 weeks but as soon as I added in Tren Ace 50mg EOD, BAM! RIP Dick...lol If one 19-nor doesn't give you ED, then I PROMISE TWO 19-NORS WILL! LOL
I have some Caber now for my next Deca/Npp run. Gonna really blast around 800mg to really force some new muscle growth and I'm hoping 250-300 test is adequate to keep Mr. Johnson alive.
Great info bro. I appreciate it!
Cliff notes on Deca:
- Proviron raises free test
- Deca raises free test
- Trest (MENT) raises free test
- Higher test/deca ratios can actually make prolactin issues worse, since deca upregulates (supercharges) estrogen conversion and adding more test is essentially adding more potential for estrogen conversion ESPECIALLY while on Deca.
- 300mg of test should provide plenty of androgens for optimal sexual function without skyrocketing estrogen and prolactin as high as using 600-1000mg of test would. Regardless, always have caber on hand because no matter what measures you take, it's still Deca and there's still a risk of elevated prolactin.
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In every single research and even thru bloods this is the case!!!
Old school was more test to deca but newer learning or access to info proves not really.
Your free test is always increased with more test too. But so is estro!!!
Estro needs to be raised for prolactin.
When I run deca now I do this and have no deca dick.
Test 300 cyp wk
Test prop 50-75mg a day or how u like
Deca 600wk
Mast e 700wk
Trest ace 12.5mg a day
Proviron 50-75mg a day
Cabar 0.5mg 2x wk
Aromasin 25mg eod
Nolva 10mg a day
Hgh 5iu a day
And t3/t4 Novothyral 20mcg/100mcg
Prolactin also suppresses thyroid and then prolactin increases more while suppressed. 19nor can suppress thyroid thru that pathway and hgh as well.
I use prop being I am doing the Trest ace and I tinker with prop dose so it's not always much and I lower AI as needed!!!
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That's a crazy stack bro but it makes sense!
Suppression of thyroid should help with weight gain right? Or does it slow recovery too?
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Ideal thyroid works great with gear especially hgh.
If done right it's ok as long as u are suppressed!! Bloating and edema signs tiredness.
I recover from using t3/t4 fine.
Within 2 weeks I am good. But don't do bloods on lipids and fasting glucose while coming back because fats and carbs will not be used as well leaving lipids and fasting glucose higher temporarily.
Yes that is how I run deca with no ed.
But I run similar combo with everything.
I use test mast tren primo with adex cabar hgh
Or all but tren
Or all with no tren and DHB
Only thing us deca stack listed all are around same
Except AI changes and either use Anavar or Anadrol mostly
T3/t4 only with 5iu hgh though although with deca it's amazing especially hgh too. But is caution used with t3/t4. I use duration I don't ramp up high then down in hurry. I slowly find right dose and stay on it till end and taper off. 3-5 months at time
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Yesterday was Christmas and my mind was all over the place.... Lol!!
Short answer, yes t3/t4 adequate dosing will indeed help with gains with enough gear. And enough gear is Testosteone at good 600mg wk as base and deca at 600mg wk add Anadrol and u turn into a beast full, definition, size with low BF and viens in Abs and on both sides!!! Lol!!
Recovery from using extra thyroid actually easier without hgh during and after because of TSH suppressed from hgh but I never tried to recover without hgh!!!
Using t3/T4 for duration of big blast gives better metabolism and gets food ready to shuttle and provides oxygen to muscle cells!! T3 can cause some muscle loss so better to use Novothyral 20mcg t3 to 100mcg t4 preparation.
Enough food which with Novothyral isn't a problem because fat loss happens for me not matter how much I am eating, so muscle growth even as bulk or lean bulk will be stimulated with Anabolics and fed with food while t3/t4 gives faster metabolism to make it all come together most efficiently!!!!
Do your research t3/t4 are very strong if over used, there is conflicting info out... but thyroid a working gland 24/7 it doesn't shut down in same way testes does with Anabolic steroids!! Thyroid has to be used proper and the choice is personal!!!
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Nice, I happen to have test, deca and drol on hand. I probably won't mess with T3 as I already have a crazy metabolism despite not being ripped at the moment. Hard for me to pack on lbs even on gear, the more I take the faster my metabolism gets...
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I never heard of caber, everyone has mentioned it. Could someone please explain what it is. I’ve always been old school & stuck to the basics . I must be getting old.lol
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Cabergoline: is an Prolactin antagonist, needed if you start getting "milky- pecs" man boobs that lactate.. uhhck..!!
Usually from combining two 19nors in cycle, I'm sure there are other factors that cause it too, but have never had an issue, but also have been very prudent about "not" doing so, (thus far...! )
Prami is another.. Prolactin antagonist ( << proper terminology...? Not sure ) one if the Pros may chime in, I still learn @ my ripe Young age of 53.
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^^ so I was wrong in the above (maybe not "wholey" wrong )
But it is an Dopamine receptor "agonist" , but may still be a Prolactin "antagonist" ...??
Prami is another Pramiproxil..!
another link:
https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/prolactin-inhibitors.html
But it is an Dopamine receptor "agonist" , but may still be a Prolactin "antagonist" ...??
Prami is another Pramiproxil..!
another link:
https://www.drugs.com/drug-class/prolactin-inhibitors.html
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That's what this forum is about...! It's a very good/strong brotherhood of like minded individuals, who I'd like to think nshare somewhat the same goals, self improvement better physiques, better training ( and AAS ) protocols.
I learn something different most of the time I'm on here ,
and love to share what I know (which is limited ) but have been at this for nearly 20 years, or so..!
Great board with great fellas...!
~ MCMM
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Thanks Kins, catching a lil' break right now tho, holiday week, didn't get invited, plus on a two week lay-off the following two, $ won't be the same, and will even get screwed up a bit, but I'll survive..
Hopefully I get some good training in, & some much needed things done around the homestead ( the one I live in, that is...! )
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Never had nip issues but my dick dies...
5 iu hgh and tren ace do it quick with no cabar or Deca on long run.
NPP??? I don't use enough just to jump deca..
I stay on 0.5mg 2x wk cabar even research grade. Because of hgh and not staying on t3/t4 all the time especially.
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