Trying to plan a Sust250 Cycle - has been over 15 years - Please Help w Input

[kaarona]

Hey guys - I am 38 years old, 6'0 tall and 205 LBS. I have done 2 cycles in the past, but they were 15 years ago back when I was on Massmonsterz and in my early 20s. They were both Sust250 for 10 weeks. I also hit the LIV52 and some clomid at the end.

I really liked the Sust250 and considering it again. I would like to do 10 weeks at 500mg/week (2 injections per week). Of course I would like to find human grade.

Any suggestions on:
1) should I kick start with any additional AAS? I would like to minimize pin pricks and I dont want to take a bunch of different things.
2) what other supplements should I take to reduce any side effects (clomid? LIV52? etc.?

I work out 3-5 times a week and typically get some cardio in and weight lifting is more reps than heavy weights these days. I am looking to say around 205-210 lbs but increase muscle mass and cutting a bit of fat.

I have had some hair loss on head and hair growth on back from the 1st time around. I would like to minimize any further to the extent possible.

I see several sponsors on this site... Any suggestions on the best and cleanest human grade?

thanks! Appreicate any feedback

 

[neo1]

Hey brother, massmonsterz actually is still in operation as TheFitnessBoard.com. Over there I'm Argon. As far as your cycle I can see sust as being alluring because it kind of kicks in quicker due to the small percentage of shorter estered test in it, but really test C or E pinned eod will give you more stable levels. I'm doing 125mg eod which is about 437mg/wk and yes it's getting me quite juicy looking. I think a better idea would be to mix test E or C and Prop in the same pin, this way you can use your own custom dose of each ester. Sust has the ridiculously long deca ester that takes 2-4 weeks (depending on dose) before enough is out of your system for your balls to even respond to PCT. I would rather do Enan 125-150mg eod along with Prop at 50-75mg eod, basically 1/2 ML of each (for a "kick") for the first 4 weeks then just cruise on the Enanthate once it's at stable peak levels around week 5. Then pretty much do whatever you want! As far as sponsors I would check out D-Red, Private Label, Triton and Dutch Pharma (currently not on this board). GearPro is great if you don't mind paying for South American pharm gradeí

 

[kaarona]

The more I read up on it I would prefer a more stable level of test so would try something besides sust250. I want to minimize pin pricks (2xs per week would be ideal). If I could get away with 8 weeks and get some decent gains instead of 10 that would be great. I would like to mimimize the side effects as well. Any suggestions on what a detailed week by week cycle should look like? I have been out for quite some time so don't know what many of the abbreviations stand for. Thanks

 

[Hevi-head]

The more I read up on it I would prefer a more stable level of test so would try something besides sust250. I want to minimize pin pricks (2xs per week would be ideal). If I could get away with 8 weeks and get some decent gains instead of 10 that would be great. I would like to mimimize the side effects as well. Any suggestions on what a detailed week by week cycle should look like? I have been out for quite some time so don't know what many of the abbreviations stand for. Thanks

Keep it simple. 250mg twice a week of test e or c for 12 weeks. 8 weeks is too short for long esters

 

[kaarona]

Thanks. I like simple.. should I kick it off with some prop 1st 4 weeks?? Also if I want to finish it off last 4-5 weeks with something to help cut like wimstrol... what would you recommend? Also what should I take for pct ( and what done for how long)?

 

[neo1]

Thanks. I like simple.. should I kick it off with some prop 1st 4 weeks?? Also if I want to finish it off last 4-5 weeks with something to help cut like wimstrol... what would you recommend? Also what should I take for pct ( and what done for how long)?

Do atleast a 12 weeker, 16 would be even better. You can do twice a week pins but atleast every 3 days is better for stable blood levels (not as stable as eod but still pretty good). You can mix in some prop in the beginning but you gotta do it eod, so mine as well do the Enanthate eod as well, once you drop the prop after 4 weeks go to every 3 day pins. Imo prop feels awesome, I love the way it hits me and makes me feel more "alive". Nice way to start a cycle.

 

[kaarona]

What's difference between prop and eq in beginning of cycle? Pros/cons?

 

[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

What's difference between prop and eq in beginning of cycle? Pros/cons?

Only chiming in here,as I'm probably one of the only ones awake at this hour , (midnights, @ work now ) ,. Besides yourself.

But out of curiosity, where did you come up with the comparison of prop & EQ..? As I don't see EQ mentioned anywhere above. And two "totally" diff compounds altogether, EQ won't do anything at the beginning, or "End" of a cycle, it's one that you should run reasonably high, and for a reasonable duration, like 15+ weeks, I'm doing a 20+ week stint of 1,000 mg/week myself, probably in week 17+ by now.

Unless that was a typo...? Prop, is already in the Sust, it's the one that's going to kick in first, and yes, you could add a tad more, for a more "robust" kick to the cycle, but it also one that needs administered EOD for sure.

And from what I gather, you want minimal pins.

MotorCity

 

[jrsgym]

Yeah, I'm confused over the EQ as well. I'm a big fan of Sustanon because of the different esters. Pin M-W-F. If you want less pinning like mentioned, E or Cyp would be better but I do know guys that pin sust 2x EW. Run for 12-16 weeks.

 

[ksm88]

As others said just run test e or c. Your blood levels will be more stable. If my blood levels start Fluctuating up and down my whole back will break out bad. That doesn’t happen to me if I keep them stable. Dbol is a great oral to kick start cycles with. 20mg ed for 5 weeks is what I do. I get a great since of well being when taking Dbol.

 

[kaarona]

Thanks for the feedback. Not sure what I was thinking with the EQ / Prop reference... what is the difference between test E and C?

 

[kaarona]

Ok so trying to get this finalized...

Wk 1-12 Test C or E @ 500mg / week (2 pins at 250mg / week)
Wk 1-5 20mg Dbol/day

Should I run some Winstrol towards the end to help cut up? Or something else?
I will take milk thistle and LIV 52 during cycle.

What would my PCT look like? Nolva / Clomid? How much and for how long?
thanks!!

 

[joonp]

Ok so trying to get this finalized...

Wk 1-12 Test C or E @ 500mg / week (2 pins at 250mg / week)
Wk 1-5 20mg Dbol/day

Should I run some Winstrol towards the end to help cut up? Or something else?
I will take milk thistle and LIV 52 during cycle.

What would my PCT look like? Nolva / Clomid? How much and for how long?
thanks!!

1-12 test e or c 500 mg
Dbol 30 mg ed
Aromasin 12.5 eod

Hcg 1000 2x a week wks 10-14
Nolva 40 ed
Clomid 50 ed

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[joonp]

1-12 test e or c 500 mg
Dbol 30 mg ed
Aromasin 12.5 eod

Hcg 1000 2x a week wks 10-14
Nolva 40 ed
Clomid 50 ed

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The clomid and nolva wks 14-18

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[MotorCityMuscleMachine]

Thanks for the feedback. Not sure what I was thinking with the EQ / Prop reference... what is the difference between test E and C?

Very little { both long Ester's} pharmacokenetically speaking, your/ or mine /anyone else for that matter would barely tell the difference between the two, just slight half life difference's, I think mg/mg Enanth might yeild a bit more test taking in consideration of ester weight.

MotorCity

 

[kaarona]

Hey brother, massmonsterz actually is still in operation as TheFitnessBoard.com. Over there I'm Argon. As far as your cycle I can see sust as being alluring because it kind of kicks in quicker due to the small percentage of shorter estered test in it, but really test C or E pinned eod will give you more stable levels. I'm doing 125mg eod which is about 437mg/wk and yes it's getting me quite juicy looking. I think a better idea would be to mix test E or C and Prop in the same pin, this way you can use your own custom dose of each ester. Sust has the ridiculously long deca ester that takes 2-4 weeks (depending on dose) before enough is out of your system for your balls to even respond to PCT. I would rather do Enan 125-150mg eod along with Prop at 50-75mg eod, basically 1/2 ML of each (for a "kick") for the first 4 weeks then just cruise on the Enanthate once it's at stable peak levels around week 5. Then pretty much do whatever you want! As far as sponsors I would check out D-Red, Private Label, Triton and Dutch Pharma (currently not on this board). GearPro is great if you don't mind paying for South American pharm gradeí

Is the GearPro worth the extra $$ ??

 

[neo1]

As others said just run test e or c. Your blood levels will be more stable. If my blood levels start Fluctuating up and down my whole back will break out bad. That doesn’t happen to me if I keep them stable. Dbol is a great oral to kick start cycles with. 20mg ed for 5 weeks is what I do. I get a great since of well being when taking Dbol.

I break out and lose more hair just from pinning test e only twice a week. Less sides for me with eod, which provides almost perfect linear levels.

 

[neo1]

Is the GearPro worth the extra $$ ??

If you are someone who really wants "human grade" then yes. If you don't mind reading reviews then you'll see the ugls I mentioned are probably just as good or better.

 

[kaarona]

The clomid and nolva wks 14-18

what does HCG 1000 do? Not familiar with that as PCT.

 

[joonp]

It helps jumpstart ur natural test production

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