Train to Failure

[GetMassive]

I have been training for over 24 years and have seen and tried all different training techniques the one I have always gone back to over and over, and I have now noticed a lot of people are going back to works. I learnt it 100% from the best I think personally in the Pros the King Dorian Yates he took bodybuilding to the next level that back. And in Generation Iron Phil Heath didn’t mention the 6 time straight Olympia winner, people have tried to get that back no chance. Training to Failure forever


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[01dragonslayer]

I have been training for over 24 years and have seen and tried all different training techniques the one I have always gone back to over and over, and I have now noticed a lot of people are going back to works. I learnt it 100% from the best I think personally in the Pros the King Dorian Yates he took bodybuilding to the next level that back. And in Generation Iron Phil Heath didn’t mention the 6 time straight Olympia winner, people have tried to get that back no chance. Training to Failure forever


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Although this technique is great for muscle growth and building strength I don't always and I believe many should not adopt this philosophy. Lee Haney's famous quote of 'stimulate don't annihilate' applies here. Haney trained hard, but more important, he trained smart. He never used as much weight in training as he could have because he always understood the risk-to-benefits ratio. Lee mentioned that he squatted last in the workout so that he wouldn’t need to as much weight. That saved his spine from the pressure of constantly being crushed by 400 to 500 pounds or more, which he was more than capable of using. Instead, he stuck with 315 and still built his legs—but he saved his back. Meanwhile, the only other eight-time Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman, was known for squatting up to 800 pounds and leg-pressing more than a ton. I doubt it’s a coincidence that Ronnie has had not one but three spinal surgeries over the past couple of years and still needs at least one more.

We tend to think in terms of more is better, and getting stronger does go hand in hand with getting bigger—up to a point. We all need to figure out what that line is for us, individually, and avoid overstepping it.

 

[Roc]

I think there’s a time and place for failure, you can’t do it all year, the body will let you know no matter what your on. A good 4/5 months doing some failure training is great, then rebuilding joints to handle more weight is the smarter route. You can pound to failure but if your not eating or eating like a bird there’s no point, it’s pointless!! Always listen to the body, maybe u had a stressful day, maybe the heat was to hot to handle, train how you feel don’t train just to train heavy, this is how people get hurt!!

 

[xxplosive]

Although this technique is great for muscle growth and building strength I don't always and I believe many should not adopt this philosophy. Lee Haney's famous quote of 'stimulate don't annihilate' applies here. Haney trained hard, but more important, he trained smart. He never used as much weight in training as he could have because he always understood the risk-to-benefits ratio. Lee mentioned that he squatted last in the workout so that he wouldn’t need to as much weight. That saved his spine from the pressure of constantly being crushed by 400 to 500 pounds or more, which he was more than capable of using. Instead, he stuck with 315 and still built his legs—but he saved his back. Meanwhile, the only other eight-time Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman, was known for squatting up to 800 pounds and leg-pressing more than a ton. I doubt it’s a coincidence that Ronnie has had not one but three spinal surgeries over the past couple of years and still needs at least one more.

We tend to think in terms of more is better, and getting stronger does go hand in hand with getting bigger—up to a point. We all need to figure out what that line is for us, individually, and avoid overstepping it.

Training to failure doesnt necessarily mean max weight at all times... its "failing" at the end of whatever rep range you are doing. I.e., if you fail at the end of a 12 rep set, you wont be using the same amount of weight as you would on a set of 5-6.

Different people respond to different training stimuli.

I once was involved with a chick who was a 1st place NPC bikini/physique winner, she was once said her mentor told her "...if you want to achieve greatness, there must be an imbalance".

Ronnie Coleman may have had to go under the knife due to his training style... but he is also the most successful, decorated and accomplished athlete in the sport.

Training for longevity and overall health and training to be the best possible athlete are two completely different things.

Forget concussions, NFL/college players pay a steep price just to train the way they do to get on the field.

Just boils down to what is most important to your individual goals.

 

[xxplosive]

That being said, when i train heavy and to failure, im not training 5-6 days a week.

Taking 3 days off a week, 2 at a time, or 2 on 2 off does more good than harm if youre worn out. I used to kick myself in the ass for too much rest after training hard as fuck and thinking im losing ground... but I would always end up back in, stronger, fresher, looking better and making strides after rest periods.

 

[Nutpuncher]

I feel that training to failure is important for muscle growth provided that you are properly caring for yourself (1 example is eat & rest/recover enough). My Training to failure doesn't occur until last few dropsets on my last set. By this time weight is 70% lower than 1st set. I do feel silly struggling at such low weights but my pump takes all silliness away lol.

 

[GetMassive]

That being said, when i train heavy and to failure, im not training 5-6 days a week.

Taking 3 days off a week, 2 at a time, or 2 on 2 off does more good than harm if youre worn out. I used to kick myself in the ass for too much rest after training hard as fuck and thinking im losing ground... but I would always end up back in, stronger, fresher, looking better and making strides after rest periods.

I read that Dorians training was done over every second day which makes sense, and he was king took body building to next level and no surgeries he had a super system and cycles. In Spain smoking Spliffs haha


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[GetMassive]

Although this technique is great for muscle growth and building strength I don't always and I believe many should not adopt this philosophy. Lee Haney's famous quote of 'stimulate don't annihilate' applies here. Haney trained hard, but more important, he trained smart. He never used as much weight in training as he could have because he always understood the risk-to-benefits ratio. Lee mentioned that he squatted last in the workout so that he wouldn’t need to as much weight. That saved his spine from the pressure of constantly being crushed by 400 to 500 pounds or more, which he was more than capable of using. Instead, he stuck with 315 and still built his legs—but he saved his back. Meanwhile, the only other eight-time Mr. Olympia, Ronnie Coleman, was known for squatting up to 800 pounds and leg-pressing more than a ton. I doubt it’s a coincidence that Ronnie has had not one but three spinal surgeries over the past couple of years and still needs at least one more.

We tend to think in terms of more is better, and getting stronger does go hand in hand with getting bigger—up to a point. We all need to figure out what that line is for us, individually, and avoid overstepping it.

I truly believe in what your saying in his DVD he wasn’t throwing around ridiculous weight, but went to Failure in that you are wrestling the negative not positive movement. And if you see him now no surgery nothing, in Spain smoking Spliffs haha, and we all know he took bodybuilding to the mass bulk and his back no one has done anything like it
And Phil Heath not mentioning him in Generation Iron 6 time mr Olympia was crazy


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[xxplosive]

Greatness and over-achieving physically in sports are simply not going to be congruent with perfect health.

Do you want to be amazing? Anything in this life can be had... for a price. Its up to the individual if they wanna pay it, but there is no magic recipe, everything in life has a give to its take.

NFL locker rooms are packed with players who easily have the genetics to compete and win as professional body builders if there diet and conditioning was centered around pure size and aesthetics- you think they arent training to failure?

Again, "training to failure" is not about sheer weight, its about choosing weight loads and intensity that you cant or can barely complete through an entire rep range.

If you do this and rest/replenish properly, you WILL get stronger between workouts, which leads to more muscle.

*Full range of motion is equally as important, but that is another topic...