Orals are way worse then I previously thought...

[Seth(The Spartan)]

Ran Oral Winstrol Dosed at 30mg per day for 4weeks before my last show. Doc calls me after I get bloodwork done. "hey, have you seen your bloodwork"? Liver values completely F'd. Doc tells me stay the hell away from orals..
We read everywhere that orals aren't that bad, 6 weeks you'll be fine, dose up to this amount etc. Well for me 30mgs for 4 weeks completely f'd me. Anyone else experience this?

 

[simplecanibus]

I just barely got through 2 weeks of drol with my liver hurting all the time. I could probably die wi hour harsh orals from now on.


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[Seth(The Spartan)]

what do you mean your liver hurting? you can actually feel it lol?

 

[simplecanibus]

what do you mean your liver hurting? you can actually feel it lol?

Ya dude, a small throbbing on my lower left side. Been hit there plenty of times fighting and know when it’s my liver


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[Rot-Iron66]

Liver is on the right side of the body,no?

 

[yatyas314]

Ran Oral Winstrol Dosed at 30mg per day for 4weeks before my last show. Doc calls me after I get bloodwork done. "hey, have you seen your bloodwork"? Liver values completely F'd. Doc tells me stay the hell away from orals..
We read everywhere that orals aren't that bad, 6 weeks you'll be fine, dose up to this amount etc. Well for me 30mgs for 4 weeks completely f'd me. Anyone else experience this?

When you say your liver values were fucked what were the numbers ??

 

[simplecanibus]

Liver is on the right side of the body,no?

Yep. Was just picturing in my head how it’s that left body punch that messes it up so bad.


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[Kins]

Liver is on the right side of the body,no?

Yes. Lmao. Simple boy had a bad tummy ache.

 

[Kins]

How much TUDCA were you using?.

 

[jdidtht]

Ya dude, a small throbbing on my lower left side. Been hit there plenty of times fighting and know when it’s my liver


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Yea liver shots are fucking brutal on the right side though..That's crazy, stories like yours and others reinforce me steering clear of the orals.. I know tons of guys do it right and have minimal to no issues but my liver took a beating from prescription pills when I was younger

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[Thaistick]

My values were double what they should be for a couple of years. Finally I got them in line with UDCA and glutathione, and then NAC.

 

[Kins]

Of course toxicity increases with increased dosages. When it comes to orals, more isn't always better. People run these drugs too high. Not that people don't run IM too high, it's just gonna cause more harm to your health when using toxic orals.

 

[MindlessWork]

Of course toxicity increases with increased dosages. When it comes to orals, more isn't always better. People run these drugs too high. Not that people don't run IM too high, it's just gonna cause more harm to your health when using toxic orals.

I am sure that different people will be able to handle different amounts but it is a good thing to find the sweet spot where you get the desired effect with the least sides.

 

[ketsugo]

Ran Oral Winstrol Dosed at 30mg per day for 4weeks before my last show. Doc calls me after I get bloodwork done. "hey, have you seen your bloodwork"? Liver values completely F'd. Doc tells me stay the hell away from orals..
We read everywhere that orals aren't that bad, 6 weeks you'll be fine, dose up to this amount etc. Well for me 30mgs for 4 weeks completely f'd me. Anyone else experience this?

tHANKS FOR SHARING BUT IN MY 20 YEARS ON FORUMS I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT ORALS ARENT THAT BAD. ORALS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE ONES THAT FUCK UP YOUR LIVE DUE TO THE PROCESS. THOUGH MAYBE THAT ONE DONT AGREE WITH YOU , I MYSELF DONT USE ORALS EVER

 

[Seth(The Spartan)]

When you say your liver values were fucked what were the numbers ??

I just thought I would share my experience with how bad this stuff really is for you.. Like I said we read all the time how its not that bad. IT IS. Orals are terribly toxic. STAY away. If you need a lift take Test No Ester 50mg. yatyas314 ill pull it up right now.... yeah so AST 131, ALT 143. Thats triple values. No wonder I felt sick and couldn't eat anything lol.

 

[Seth(The Spartan)]

tHANKS FOR SHARING BUT IN MY 20 YEARS ON FORUMS I HAVE NEVER HEARD THAT ORALS ARENT THAT BAD. ORALS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE ONES THAT FUCK UP YOUR LIVE DUE TO THE PROCESS. THOUGH MAYBE THAT ONE DONT AGREE WITH YOU , I MYSELF DONT USE ORALS EVER

I wasn't talking about forums, I'm talking about websites like meso-rx,evolutionary,steroid, and a handful of others. Like literally if I googled winstrol all these sites would come up first. Soo people are reading this thinking ohh yeah 6weeks whatever dose no problem.

 

[Seth(The Spartan)]

I'm just done with oral alltogether, I get terrible lethargy after a few weeks and loss of appetite.. now I know why. Better just to inject it and avoid 1st pass through the liver. I can get injectable drol, dbol, and everything else so it doesn't really make sense to ever take orals should I want to use those compounds.

 

[Kins]

I just thought I would share my experience with how bad this stuff really is for you.. Like I said we read all the time how its not that bad. IT IS. Orals are terribly toxic. STAY away. If you need a lift take Test No Ester 50mg. yatyas314 ill pull it up right now.... yeah so AST 131, ALT 143. Thats triple values. No wonder I felt sick and couldn't eat anything lol.

That's bad, but really not that bad. What about bilirubin?. The bilirubin levels are what you really have to worry about. AST/ALT just mean your liver is under stress and they can go up and down from all sorts of things. One thing in particular that raises them is heavy lifting. AST/ALT are going to be up where you are on orals but will go down after you go off. What you really have to worry about is Cholestasis. Your bile ducts can get clogged or blocked. That's why you turn yellow are start to itch. That's the main problem with oral AAS and TUDCA helps prevent that. Or Udca which is the pharmaceutical that works the same.

 

[Kins]

I'm just done with oral alltogether, I get terrible lethargy after a few weeks and loss of appetite.. now I know why. Better just to inject it and avoid 1st pass through the liver. I can get injectable drol, dbol, and everything else so it doesn't really make sense to ever take orals should I want to use those compounds.

Just because you avoid first pass doesn't mean it's not going to go through the liver and doesn't mean it's not toxic. Again, how much TUDCA or UDCA did you use on your oral cycle?. IM glutathione can help also but with AST and ALT levels. So with TUDCA or UDCA and IM glutathione run throughout your cycle and at least a month beyond it you should be good. Just don't go nuts on the dosages of oral AAS.

 

[yatyas314]

I just thought I would share my experience with how bad this stuff really is for you.. Like I said we read all the time how its not that bad. IT IS. Orals are terribly toxic. STAY away. If you need a lift take Test No Ester 50mg. yatyas314 ill pull it up right now.... yeah so AST 131, ALT 143. Thats triple values. No wonder I felt sick and couldn't eat anything lol.

So I have been taking labs religiously for the last 5-6 years and even when I am off and my liver is dealing with just the havoc of training and the food I push through the liver the numbers have been high double the "norm" off cycle and total straight edge just food and training. I agree with you that orals strain your liver and as with any drug can be abused. But they have their place in a cycle, My liver regiment is Tudca 2 500 mg daily, nac 2000 mg daily synthergine 5 ml daily and injectable glutathione and my enzymes have never been better