Need Cycle Help

[Sheppa]

Let me first start off by saying I am not a newbie, just took a really long break because life happens. I have a lot of years of BB and cycles under my belt but I am looking for some suggestions because I am torn on how to start. I am 6'2" 275 and have gotten fluffy. When I was actively competing I was 235 and shredded and my goal is to be back at that but I do not want to get back on stage. I have my diet lined out but I am looking for opinions on lining out a 16 week cycle. Please don't hold back when it comes to which compounds to use as I would like to hear different opinions and why.

 

[joonp]

Let me first start off by saying I am not a newbie, just took a really long break because life happens. I have a lot of years of BB and cycles under my belt but I am looking for some suggestions because I am torn on how to start. I am 6'2" 275 and have gotten fluffy. When I was actively competing I was 235 and shredded and my goal is to be back at that but I do not want to get back on stage. I have my diet lined out but I am looking for opinions on lining out a 16 week cycle. Please don't hold back when it comes to which compounds to use as I would like to hear different opinions and why.

Ur not even gonna give us an example of what your thinking? Whats ur goal?whats ur bf%

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[Sheppa]

I listed my goal as I would like to be back at 235 and cut. When it comes to what I am thinking:
Week 1-4 Test P
Week 1-16 Test E
Week 1-4 D-bol
Week ??? Trest
Should I run Tren?
Week 1-16 EQ
HGH Week 1-16 5 IU's daily 5 on 2 off.
Looking for suggestions on Dosage and would you run these compounds together? Or would you add or subtract something. I am not sure what BF% is but if I had to guess 10-15 percent.

 

[blueskys06]

If ur going to run MENT I'd do weeks 1-6. I'd save tren for the back half of the cycle, personally.

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[testboner]

I listed my goal as I would like to be back at 235 and cut. When it comes to what I am thinking:
Week 1-4 Test P
Week 1-16 Test E
Week 1-4 D-bol
Week ??? Trest
Should I run Tren?
Week 1-16 EQ
HGH Week 1-16 5 IU's daily 5 on 2 off.
Looking for suggestions on Dosage and would you run these compounds together? Or would you add or subtract something. I am not sure what BF% is but if I had to guess 10-15 percent.

" I am 6'2" 275 and have gotten fluffy."
You're likely not in the ballpark of 10-15% bf having put on 40lbs and describing your physical condition as "fluffy" nono1

You're wanting to trim down so I'm not real excited to see your consideration for dbol and trest in the cycle. Both tend to be water retainers and aren't the best options for your goal. I'd suggest keeping your test on the lower end of dosing, and consider your useful aids for stated goal as being your gh, test (on the low end), anavar, winny, tren, and consider primo rather than eq. And an AI for some insurance of keeping your estro in check.
I also always like to recommend a routine of intermittent fasting (if not 24-48hrs of extended fasting per 7 day week). Nothing.... no enhancement aids, cardio.... Nothing, will lean you down quicker than fasting.

 

[Sheppa]

I don't consider myself "fat". I still have definition in my arms and legs but my gut looks like I have "GH gut" so maybe fluffy was not the correct term. Considering dbol and trest because I love the strength and aggression in the gym. Why would you not run the trest and tren together? I have always ran my test between the 500-600 range and have ran as high as 750 because I wanted to see how my body reacted. Also, why primo instead of EQ? Isn't primo effective when you have a lower BF%?
I agree with you 100% on fasting. During my diet I do fast increasing the length on fast further into the diet.

 

[blueskys06]

Disclaimer: not saying you lying. But Its hard to believe you went up to 275 without anabolics and are still lean. But hey i dont a damn thing lol. But if you on the heavier side. That water and blood pressure will be a bitch. I'm 6ft 4 and 275 fairly lean and still feel heavy. And with wet compounds it makes the BP rise like hell for me.

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[testboner]

I don't consider myself "fat". I still have definition in my arms and legs but my gut looks like I have "GH gut" so maybe fluffy was not the correct term. Considering dbol and trest because I love the strength and aggression in the gym. Why would you not run the trest and tren together? I have always ran my test between the 500-600 range and have ran as high as 750 because I wanted to see how my body reacted. Also, why primo instead of EQ? Isn't primo effective when you have a lower BF%?
I agree with you 100% on fasting. During my diet I do fast increasing the length on fast further into the diet.

When I think of leaning up / cutting -- wet compounds aren't in my lineup. Ment/trest aromatizes for most all users... and of course dbol does. Eq (particularly at effective doses -- 600-900mg) not only aromatizes, but increases hunger (for most), and so that's out of the mix for me. Primo doesn't tend to aromatize. So far as test at or above 500mg for your goal, I personally don't see the strategy behind it. My primary purpose with your goal in mind (back to 235lbs, correct?) with test, is just to maintain overall healthy physiological functions with it, and 500mg isn't necessary for a cut.
My "suggestion" (for whatever it's worth) -- Lower end on the test, tren at whatever level you can comfortably handle, var, winny, an AI, your gh, fasting.... and "maybe" some t3/t4 a good bit into the process depending on how successful everything is flowing for you.

 

[Sheppa]

All of our bodies are different and I put on weight very easy around my mid section but if you were standing behind me in line at the store you would think I was in the gym all the time because I still am pretty defined in other areas. I have always been "muscular" throughout my life due to sports and always working outdoors. I don't know why but all the men on my dads side have "barrel" stomachs. I do feel heavy and get winded easy but my BP is great. I get my levels checked every time before during and at the end of cycle and also when I am off. I am 41 and know that I want to get back to the shape I used to be and know that it will not be the same as when I was in my 20's or 30's. I just am looking for a little guidance on what people have used and what dosage and at my age what will give me the best results. I do know what works for my body when dieting but since being away from the game awhile I need some advice on what and how much to use.

 

[Sheppa]

When I think of leaning up / cutting -- wet compounds aren't in my lineup. Ment/trest aromatizes for most all users... and of course dbol does. Eq (particularly at effective doses -- 600-900mg) not only aromatizes, but increases hunger (for most), and so that's out of the mix for me. Primo doesn't tend to aromatize. So far as test at or above 500mg for your goal, I personally don't see the strategy behind it. My primary purpose with your goal in mind (back to 235lbs, correct?) with test, is just to maintain overall healthy physiological functions with it, and 500mg isn't necessary for a cut.
My "suggestion" (for whatever it's worth) -- Lower end on the test, tren at whatever level you can comfortably handle, var, winny, an AI, your gh, fasting.... and "maybe" some t3/t4 a good bit into the process depending on how successful everything is flowing for you.

So with what you said how does this look?
Week 1-16 Test E 500mg EW
Week 1-16 Tren A 100 MG EOD
Week 1-16 Primo A 100 MG EOD
Week 1-16 HGH 5 IU's ED 5 on and 2 off. (I will keep running after at 3 IU's daily)

What would be your suggestion on adding VAR (dose and how often) I dont like winny because it drys me out. Have bad knees from football. I do have anti's on hand but have never really been pron to sides. Also, I will be running a PCT. Thanks for your input.

 

[C587]

Var worked well for me (and many others) at 40-60mg ed. Can run it anywhere from 4-12 weeks but really gotta do bloodwork to see how bad it's affecting your cholesterol. If I were you I'd run it the last 6-8 wks of your cycle once you've dropped most of the body fat.

Your above cycle looks awesome to me. Wish I could afford the primo and handle the eod pins for that long...

 

[PUMPED]

So with what you said how does this look?
Week 1-16 Test E 500mg EW
Week 1-16 Tren A 100 MG EOD
Week 1-16 Primo A 100 MG EOD
Week 1-16 HGH 5 IU's ED 5 on and 2 off. (I will keep running after at 3 IU's daily)

What would be your suggestion on adding VAR (dose and how often) I dont like winny because it drys me out. Have bad knees from football. I do have anti's on hand but have never really been pron to sides. Also, I will be running a PCT. Thanks for your input.

Hey brother, your cycle looks pretty good, personally I would drop the Tren A around week 10, by then I have had enough of the lack of sleep, nights sweats, and additional anxiety, but that would be a perfect time to introduce the Var for 6-8 weeks. Personally love Var at 40-80 mg am/pm dosage, always helps dial in the physique.

 

[testboner]

So with what you said how does this look?
Week 1-16 Test E 500mg EW
Week 1-16 Tren A 100 MG EOD
Week 1-16 Primo A 100 MG EOD
Week 1-16 HGH 5 IU's ED 5 on and 2 off. (I will keep running after at 3 IU's daily)

What would be your suggestion on adding VAR (dose and how often) I dont like winny because it drys me out. Have bad knees from football. I do have anti's on hand but have never really been pron to sides. Also, I will be running a PCT. Thanks for your input.

Doses look good, though I don't feel 500mg test is necessary considering what your goal is. 300-400mg should suffice, but I understand you feel good at your listed level. For a cutter, I just don't like that high a dosing of a highly aromatizing compound (unless you have it under good control with an AI that you know is effective for you). Understandable about the winny. So far as the var, it's a bit personal preference, but I'd include it weeks 8-16 at 50mg the first 4 weeks, up to 100mg the final 4 weeks.
So far as your tren being listed as weeks 1-16, that may likely need to be revised based on sides and overall wellbeing. If you handle tren well, that may be ok, and you may also want to consider the enan version at 400mg per week (2 pins per week of 200mg). But 8-10 weeks might be better than the full 16.

 

[Roc]

Run gh 7 days a week! Don’t take 2 days off, they came up with this method to save money. Also ditch the tren all together, IMO it’s horrible, and ment is the way to go hands down, such a great compound!!!

 

[Sheppa]

Roc can you tell me why you would drop the tren? I am not against it but I have had great results with it and I dont feel that I experience the side like others besides the sweats. I am interested in trying ment but would need to revise the whole plan if I went that route.

Run gh 7 days a week! Don’t take 2 days off, they came up with this method to save money. Also ditch the tren all together, IMO it’s horrible, and ment is the way to go hands down, such a great compound!!!

 

[Sheppa]

I really appreciate everyone's input.

Thank you!!!!

 

[PUMPED]

Run gh 7 days a week! Don’t take 2 days off, they came up with this method to save money. Also ditch the tren all together, IMO it’s horrible, and ment is the way to go hands down, such a great compound!!!

Roc makes a great point, run gh for 7 days a week if you can afford it to maximize results. I personally found everyday not 5 on 2 off more effective.

 

[Roc]

Roc can you tell me why you would drop the tren? I am not against it but I have had great results with it and I dont feel that I experience the side like others besides the sweats. I am interested in trying ment but would need to revise the whole plan if I went that route.

I wouldn’t run tren and trest together, when I plan a big run I like to start with the basics and run them till I get the max out of them then add something to the mix or switch compounds up. Tren is great but for me it’s not worth the health feeling I get from it while I can cut down using different things. I will say this, if your not getting sides, u may not be taking enough for the tren to really work, I also like taking tren everyday when I was but I like taking all my gear everyday for a much more steady level inside the body.

 

[xxplosive]

Roc can you tell me why you would drop the tren? I am not against it but I have had great results with it and I dont feel that I experience the side like others besides the sweats. I am interested in trying ment but would need to revise the whole plan if I went that route.

If you can handle the tren sides... shit, why not? Most of us have fucked up or shortchanged our lives in some fashion every time we hit the yellow... some people, like my friend who I know personally, feels great and reaps all the benefits.

Lack of sleep, destruction of mood/energy levels, loss of appetite- really no physique change is worth that horrid a quality of life IMO.

 

[Rider]

So with what you said how does this look?
Week 1-16 Test E 500mg EW
Week 1-16 Tren A 100 MG EOD
Week 1-16 Primo A 100 MG EOD
Week 1-16 HGH 5 IU's ED 5 on and 2 off. (I will keep running after at 3 IU's daily)

What would be your suggestion on adding VAR (dose and how often) I dont like winny because it drys me out. Have bad knees from football. I do have anti's on hand but have never really been pron to sides. Also, I will be running a PCT. Thanks for your input.

The cycle looks okay. I’d make a few adjustments. I’d swap the Tren Ace with Tren Enan if you plan on running it that long as TB suggested. It’s a long time to remain on Tren. Perhaps 10 weeks then alternate to an oral such as Var. Var ran at 40-60mg per day would be fine. Also I wouldn’t bother with Primo at this point. Save your money for now. Test, Tren, Var, and GH is sufficient.